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Re: Boggs down at the touch of throttle
Reply #15 - 08/15/19 at 13:10:55

The adjustment screw COULD cause your issue , it controls one of the two openings in the passage that your idle mix goes through . you may have enough fuel to allow the bike to run at idle ,but when you try to open the throttle the carb goes very lean and the motor dies. The bike needs to Idle a at least 1000 rpm to provide oil pressure to the cam, to prevent damage. You can test - 1000 rpm can be checked by putting the bike in !st gear with the throttle closed , on a level road ,it should do 8 mph .

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Re: Boggs down at the touch of throttle
Reply #17 - 08/15/19 at 17:10:16

[b][/b]ohiomoto wrote on 08/15/19 at 10:06:01:

Do you know if this bike was running properly before it was parked for a couple of years?

Which needle did you actually replace?
The slide needle is the long needle that is in the slide which is accessed from the top of the carb. You might have removed it when you did the white spacer mod.

The float needle is in the bottom of the carb. You would have needed to remove the pin that holds the floats in place and float to replace it. That would solve the fuel overflow issue.

So you replaced the two jets in the bottom?
If so, you want to get back to stock sizes or whatever sizes came out.

Did you remove the two jets from the top of the carb?
If so, you should put the stock jets back in.

You should write down and confirm that you are using the proper size jets in each spot just in case someone changed it before you got there.

I would remove the white spacer mod until you get it running properly. You may or may not need it, but let's start by getting the bike operational. Make sure the slide is clean and the diaphragm is properly seated.

This is not a tuning issue so ignore the stupid low-speed adjustment. It wouldn't cause this issue by itself.

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So I do not know the condition of the bike before I bought it. I did replace the slide needle with the one that came in the kit. I was unable to replace the the replace the float needle cause the screw that holds it all together was badly corroded.

[b]In the bottom of the carb[b]
I only replaced the pilot jet. The main jet was not included in the rebuild kit.

[b]In the top of the carb[b]
I did replace the two to jets on the top with the ones that were included in the kit.

[b]What I did this afternoon[b]
I reverted back to the original two jets in the top of the carb and found that the smaller of the two was entirely different. I also switched back to the original slide needle and put the spacer back in.

The bike started right up and is running significantly better. Its still not perfect but its alot better.[/b][/b][/b][/b][/b][/b]

Also i cant figure out how to use the forums message options properly so sorry about that

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Re: Boggs down at the touch of throttle
Reply #18 - 08/15/19 at 19:02:35

You put the spacer back in? If you had it out and replaced it with nothing , you where bogging from being way to rich! generally we replace the stock spacer with either 2 0r 3 # 4 steel machine washers ,bring it back to 1/2 to 3/4 of the spacer's original thickness ,depending on your elevation above sea level . read up in the tech section .

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Re: Boggs down at the touch of throttle
Reply #20 - 08/16/19 at 07:07:20

TheBrendan312 wrote on 08/15/19 at 17:10:16:

So I do not know the condition of the bike before I bought it. I did replace the slide needle with the one that came in the kit. I was unable to replace the the replace the float needle cause the screw that holds it all together was badly corroded.

In the bottom of the carb
I only replaced the pilot jet. The main jet was not included in the rebuild kit.

In the top of the carb
I did replace the two to jets on the top with the ones that were included in the kit.

What I did this afternoon
I reverted back to the original two jets in the top of the carb and found that the smaller of the two was entirely different. I also switched back to the original slide needle and put the spacer back in.

The bike started right up and is running significantly better. Its still not perfect but its alot better.

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See there, that is why we don't want to try and jet around or while we are dealing with other problems!!

So it runs better. If it runs well enough to ride, that's what I would do. Ride it for a while. run at least a tank of gas through it (which doesn't take long on these bikes) and see if anything changes. It may clear up some leftover gunk or something. See what happens and then figure out what's needed next.

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Re: Boggs down at the touch of throttle
Reply #21 - 08/16/19 at 17:35:08

Guess I missed that ,yes he did the 1/2 spacer mod ,but we don't know his location /elevation.
what bugs me is newbies don't just clean the carb but always seem to think they need to get a rebuild kit. I just ordered my second carb part yesterday a new float (pin hole leak) , that and a 150 main jet ,are the only parts I've bought 24 years.

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Re: Boggs down at the touch of throttle
Reply #23 - 08/21/19 at 04:59:27

So I have put almost 3 tanks of gas through it and it’s running a lot better. I believe I’m having issues with the float needle valve. When I turn my Petcock off (I did the raptor swap) it starts running significantly better. It’s the only thing that I could not get out of the carb when cleaning due to the clip screw being weak and stripping easily.

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Re: Boggs down at the touch of throttle
Reply #24 - 08/21/19 at 05:39:52

When you turn the petcock off the level in the bowl drops ,perhaps the float needle is OK but the float level is set to high. all the screws on the bike are JIS (Japanese industrial standard) NOT phillipshead which are too pointed to allow the four blades to fit down into the screws all the way. you can file /grind a phillipshead down by blunting the point and changing the angle of the blades so the entire tip is shallower and the blades insert fully.

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Re: Boggs down at the touch of throttle
Reply #25 - 08/22/19 at 09:04:42

TheBrendan312 wrote on 08/21/19 at 04:59:27:

So I have put almost 3 tanks of gas through it and it’s running a lot better. I believe I’m having issues with the float needle valve. When I turn my Petcock off (I did the raptor swap) it starts running significantly better. It’s the only thing that I could not get out of the carb when cleaning due to the clip screw being weak and stripping easily.

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Did you remove the floats and clean and inspect the float needle for wear?

If you are talking about the screw that holds the float "seat", leave it be and just clean o replace the float needle for now. Clean the seat as best you can. You just need to remove the float that is held in place my a pin.

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