Why do you think that you know that the cost effectiveness of a concrete wall is superior to the methods that CBP officers in the field today are asking for?

 Walls work in other places, but is access control the primary problem?  According to CBP and ICE it isn't.  But they are probably wrong right, because what do people doing the job know.  The Bureau of Prisons has figured out that more walls is less effective than redundant sensor technology, and more costly, they are probably wrong too because wall work in other places.

 A textbook example of someone who isn't doing the job today saying that the money would be better used the way they imagine it would than accepting that the people who are doing job now might know better.

 So the real question is, why is CBP wrong, and why does the Army Corp of Engineers and the AZ national Guard agree that a physical wall is not cost-effective?

 Even if the people doing the job now say access control isn't the problem and a wall isn't going to help in a substantial way?  Build it even if it won't create any substantial change, instead of using the money for methods that are proven to work?

 Build it anyway, they must be wrong.  Build the ineffective wall instead of providing effective measures?

 Why are they wrong?  Why not use the money for the things the people doing the work say they need?

 Why have other agencies been effective without physical concrete barriers?  

 I can't see why in this instance people who do not do the job get to say where the money goes.

 Basically build the wall because people who do not do the job say so and continue to not get what you need to do your job.

 The people on the ground are saying that if they get the option of using 1 million dollars for a wall, or for other tech, they would choose other tech.

 People who do not do the job say build the wall, do not let them get other tech.

 So why do the people who do not do the job get to decide where the 1 million goes, instead of the people who do the job?

 Build the wall, my perception of the problem in an environment I've never been in at a job I've never done should be prioritized over the opinions of people who do the job, even though this doesn't happen at any other agency.

 The people that do the job say that the porous border can be more effectively managed by modern technology based off the infrastructure available than a physical wall that will cost more and need more resources to manage long term.  But don't listen to them, go with the people who do not do the job, they know better because they read some articles and have seen walls work in other countries and for places that are not the border.

 Why would people who do not do the job know better than the people who do?  Why is CBP the unique agency that needs outside implementation?

"You want to explain Why a wall is gonna require more assets than no wall?"

 The cost of the wall exceeds the cost of alternate measures that have more diverse usage.  

 You want to explain how you or anyone is more qualified than the people who do the job today to decide where their money should be spent?  


"Interesting how after DECADES of a porous border, NOW they have answers and can control it."

 They have always had answers, but not efficiently allocated resources, like money.  Now that there's potentially money, they have to let people who do not do their job in any capacity decide where that money goes.  Unique to CBP, no other agency has this issue.

"Build a wall.
It works."

 CBP, ICE, DHS, AZ National Guard, US Army Corp of Engineers disagree, but people who are not there doing that work know better, the people on the ground doing the work are wrong.

"Ranchers build fences and watch after them because it's a lot easier than having men control every inch every day."

 Ranchers are not containing humans.  They utilize assistance from the CBP because their fences do not stop illegal immigrants from entering their property.  If we were stopping illegal cattle this would apply.
 
"You want to explain Why a wall is gonna require more assets than no wall?"

 No wall, but alternate cheaper methods that work better.  You provide an example of a wall plus sensor tech, when sensor tech alone works better without a wall, and is cheaper, but this is according to people who do that work and they must be wrong.  Sensors instead of a wall is the idea here.

"The wall pays for itself by cutting out our losses."

 Not according to people who do the job, but they must be wrong because people who do not do the job say so.    

Eegore wrote on 12/15/18 at 00:23:17:

 The cost of the wall exceeds the cost of alternate measures that have more diverse usage.   

What does string, and some 'T' posts cost ?

Camp Sumter, (Andersonville)
The DEAD  Line, means something completely different than,
The deadline.

'The Wall", can be a wall like the Berlin Wall,
(Which was built to keep people IN, not out)
Or, 'The Wall', can be a piece of string.
A line in the sand, you do NOT cross.

A past administration, has allowed, all sorts of, 'Fairy Dust Sprinklers' to get their way, and, 'Sprinkle Fairy Dust'.

It does NOT  work.

A, Wall, String, Line, needs to be ,'the line in the sand'.
Now for the UL, Socialist, Panty in a bunch, Kum-By-You singers.

Someone knocking on the door, asking can I come in, I will do this/that.
Is welcome.

Someone, SNEAKING, accost, is a Criminal/Illegal.

Eegore wrote on 12/14/18 at 22:23:35:


Other tech... you mean like tear gas and bullets?
Yes cheaper up front if you don't mind the political fallout.

Anything other than a wall can be stopped with a stroke from a new administration's pen. Build a wall.

Eegore wrote on 12/17/18 at 08:59:13:

   I'd like to see testing done on this type of thing if we are going to pour money into it.

Know their are, Drones and, Sensors, for the North boarder the USA.
Why is 'testing' required ?
Just learn what works their.

Believe problems with the extreme cold in North cases had been dealt with.
Just like most problems with extreme heat in South cases, because those items are already in use.

Build off the knowledge we already have.
No need to re-invent the wheel.

(Well unless you are getting, Paid, to re-invent the wheel)