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Title: Pelosi pwns Donald Post by eau de sauvage on 12/11/18 at 14:40:29 To see Donald, get thrown when Pelosi said no one wants a "Trump shutdown", was a masterpiece and in one stroke gives us an inkling of what is to come next year as Pelosi dismantles all of Trump's bullshit that he has been getting away with by bombarding the media with his continual 'black is white' assertions. https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/11/pelosi-disses-trumps-manhood-white-house-meeting-1057607 “I was trying to be the mom,” she added, but “it goes to show you: You get into a tinkle contest with a skunk, you get tinkle all over you.” And then, Pelosi went for the most sensitive part of Trump’s ego. “It’s like a manhood thing with him — as if manhood can be associated with him,” she deadpanned. “This wall thing.” |
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Title: Re: Pelosi pwns Donald Post by T And T Garage on 12/11/18 at 15:02:42 "If we don't get what we want ... I will shut down the government,” Trump said in the Oval Office before a room full of reporters and TV cameras. “I am proud to shut down the government for border security... I will take the mantle. I will be the one to shut it down. I won't blame you for it." And to think, some conservatives on this little board call trump the "best president they've ever seen"! Now that's funny - I don't care who you are! |
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Title: Re: Pelosi pwns Donald Post by WebsterMark on 12/11/18 at 15:35:29 You two are morons. You can't see what Trump did. He took the "Trump's gonna shut the government down" out of the equation. He's owning it. He's forcing the conversation from "will he shut it down" to he will shut it down over crime and drugs flowing over the border. You guys look like you're willing to allow Americas to die so you can get votes and cheap labor. Which is true of course, but its a little more in the open now. |
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Title: Re: Pelosi pwns Donald Post by MnSpring on 12/11/18 at 15:51:07 4A545B5A574A514C3E0 wrote:
Sounds just like a tt saying: "If you do not believe what I say, than you are a ..." ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Pelosi pwns Donald Post by T And T Garage on 12/11/18 at 15:55:09 1B292E3F38293E012D3E274C0 wrote:
Not at all. Most Americans don't see a need to spend $5 billion on a fukking wall. Quinnipiac University Poll. June 14-17, 2018: 39 percent support building a wall, 58 percent are opposed. Pew Research Center. June 5-12, 2018: 40 percent support building a wall, 56 percent are opposed. CBS News Poll. May 3-6, 2018: 38 percent support building a wall, 59 percent are opposed. Once again, you're on the wrong side of history mark. |
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Title: Re: Pelosi pwns Donald Post by T And T Garage on 12/11/18 at 15:57:43 496A5774766D6A63040 wrote:
Sounds just like a tt saying: "If you do not believe what I say, than you are a ..." ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D [/quote] So again, mn, you're lying. Show me where I said that. It's so fun to show everyone what pathetic liar you are.... |
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Title: Re: Pelosi pwns Donald Post by T And T Garage on 12/11/18 at 18:51:17 In that same meeting: “People are pouring into our country, including terrorists. We have terrorists. We caught 10 terrorists over the last very short period of time. Ten. These are very serious people,” Trump said. “Our border agents, all of our law enforcement has been incredible what they’ve done. But we caught 10 terrorists. These are people that were looking to do harm.” Yahoo News reached out to Customs and Border Protection to ask for details about the 10 terrorists Trump referred to. A spokesperson for the CBP pointed to comments made by an unnamed Department of Homeland Security official in a fact sheet that was distributed by the White House on Tuesday. “On average last year, DHS prevented 10 individuals tied to terror — known or suspected terrorists — each day from traveling or attempting to travel to the United States. These are individuals that hit against U.S. terror watchlists. This is in addition to the 17,000 criminals and 3,000 special interest aliens that CBP apprehended at the border last year,” the statement said. When you lie as much as our president, what's one more, right??? |
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Title: Re: Pelosi pwns Donald Post by T And T Garage on 12/13/18 at 11:16:14 Yeah, so about that wall..... 69% of Americans Don’t Think trump's Border Wall Is a Priority http://finance.yahoo.com/news/69-americans-don-t-think-223828384.html http://maristpoll.marist.edu/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/NPR_PBS-NewsHour_Marist-Poll_USA-NOS-and-Tables_Immigration_1812051721.pdf#page=3 |
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Title: Re: Pelosi pwns Donald Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/13/18 at 17:54:34 69% of Americans must not understand what is hurting America. |
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Title: Re: Pelosi pwns Donald Post by T And T Garage on 12/13/18 at 21:18:04 6A757374696E5F6F5F67757932000 wrote:
No - 31% are batsh!t crazy and scared of the brown people. |
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Title: Re: Pelosi pwns Donald Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/14/18 at 00:58:15 You keep insisting it's about race. It's not. It's about how the immigration affects our society. The fact that they are from a place where the People don't look exactly like a white person is immaterial. It's the mindset, the reason for coming. I don't CARE what color someone is. All I care about is that they are healthy, able and willing to be a functioning part of OUR society and appreciate the CULTURE that created the society that would allow them to be a member OF that society and PROSPER by being a member. Ohhh, lookie, not a C&P. |
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Title: Re: Pelosi pwns Donald Post by Eegore on 12/14/18 at 06:56:19 The bottom line is almost all surveys/polls indicate the majority of Americans that are surveyed, do not support building a large concrete, or other material type, physical wall. The ridiculousness of this whole thing is that while politicians have influence on budget approval for things like lets say the Coast Guard, or the Air Force, they don't get direct say in exactly how that money is spent - instead officials within the respective department chooses based off of a multitude of assessment methods. This is because if we gave over asset control of the Air Force to surveyed Americans, and the President the Air Force would cease to do it's job effectively because there's essentially no program anywhere that is run better by people that have never done the job than by those who have. So what's the reasoning behind taking CBP and allowing people who have nothing, absolutely nothing to do with how CBP operates choose how they are allowed to implement their budget? If 90% of CBP says a physical wall isn't beneficial in relation to cost, why do people who have never spent a day in a CBP office, worksite or courtroom making this decision? |
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Title: Re: Pelosi pwns Donald Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/14/18 at 14:09:16 Cbp? |
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Title: Re: Pelosi pwns Donald Post by Eegore on 12/14/18 at 15:47:57 Customs and Border Patrol. https://www.cbp.gov/ |
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Title: Re: Pelosi pwns Donald Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/14/18 at 17:35:11 Walls work in other places. Why would our border patrol not know that? Fences and doors to control who is able to get in places. Absolutely revolutionary |
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Title: Re: Pelosi pwns Donald Post by Eegore on 12/14/18 at 19:57:21 Why do you think that you know that the cost effectiveness of a concrete wall is superior to the methods that CBP officers in the field today are asking for? Walls work in other places, but is access control the primary problem? According to CBP and ICE it isn't. But they are probably wrong right, because what do people doing the job know. The Bureau of Prisons has figured out that more walls is less effective than redundant sensor technology, and more costly, they are probably wrong too because wall work in other places. A textbook example of someone who isn't doing the job today saying that the money would be better used the way they imagine it would than accepting that the people who are doing job now might know better. So the real question is, why is CBP wrong, and why does the Army Corp of Engineers and the AZ national Guard agree that a physical wall is not cost-effective? |
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Title: Re: Pelosi pwns Donald Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/14/18 at 20:35:33 I'VE actually stated that a properly staffed border patrol could solve the problem. And since the PROBLEM is an Ongoing one, for decades, APPARENTLY they aren't gonna get that manpower. And, I've read articles about some of the people Quitting, because they were being ordered to Fail to protect the border . I'm not concerned about Cost effectiveness. I'm just wanting Effectiveness. That they, whoever THEY are, have some idea all of a sudden about why a wall is or isn't Cost effective doesn't impress me. So far, NOBODY has Been Effective, regardless of the cost. And the cost of anchor babies and the chains of following relatives, criminals, diseased, that never stop being burdens all too often, ?? A wall eventually gets paid for. The cost of a porous border is perpetual AND just HOW porous that border is can change, based on politics and funding. I'm ready for a WALL. |
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Title: Re: Pelosi pwns Donald Post by Eegore on 12/14/18 at 21:09:58 Even if the people doing the job now say access control isn't the problem and a wall isn't going to help in a substantial way? Build it even if it won't create any substantial change, instead of using the money for methods that are proven to work? Build it anyway, they must be wrong. Build the ineffective wall instead of providing effective measures? Why are they wrong? Why not use the money for the things the people doing the work say they need? Why have other agencies been effective without physical concrete barriers? I can't see why in this instance people who do not do the job get to say where the money goes. Basically build the wall because people who do not do the job say so and continue to not get what you need to do your job. |
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Title: Re: Pelosi pwns Donald Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/14/18 at 22:05:33 Build it anyway, they must be wrong. Build the ineffective wall instead of providing effective measures? Why do you insist that a wall would be ineffective? I'm not suggesting we fire the border patrol. It's working in other places. Walls seem to be effective. They're all the rage in prison. Israel is happy with theirs. Ohhh, Ohhh, wait, if twenty get across a month, then it's ineffective? Will we play more word games? It's gonna need to be monitored and defended. It's a barrier. The COST of a porous border is a steady drain on the country, in money, in spite our culture, and the health of our people, our children who share a classroom with a tuberculosis laden immigrant. Illegal immigrants are NOT screened. And why have effective measures not been employed? I read about men quitting because they were not allowed to do their job. Both sides are responsible for the porous border. Now someone is talking about doing the job. That won't last. Build a wall. |
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Title: Re: Pelosi pwns Donald Post by Eegore on 12/14/18 at 22:23:35 The people on the ground are saying that if they get the option of using 1 million dollars for a wall, or for other tech, they would choose other tech. People who do not do the job say build the wall, do not let them get other tech. So why do the people who do not do the job get to decide where the 1 million goes, instead of the people who do the job? Build the wall, my perception of the problem in an environment I've never been in at a job I've never done should be prioritized over the opinions of people who do the job, even though this doesn't happen at any other agency. The people that do the job say that the porous border can be more effectively managed by modern technology based off the infrastructure available than a physical wall that will cost more and need more resources to manage long term. But don't listen to them, go with the people who do not do the job, they know better because they read some articles and have seen walls work in other countries and for places that are not the border. Why would people who do not do the job know better than the people who do? Why is CBP the unique agency that needs outside implementation? |
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Title: Re: Pelosi pwns Donald Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/14/18 at 23:17:06 The people that do the job say that the porous border can be more effectively managed by modern technology based off the infrastructure available than a physical wall that will cost more and need more resources to manage long term. But don't listen to them, go with the people who do not do I know. I've SAID SO. I fully agree. But Politics decide IF they are ALLOWED to do their jobs Effectively. AGAIN STORIES OF MEN QUITTING BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT ALLOWED TO DO THE JOB.. Walls are built or destroyed. Patrolled or not patrolled. Interesting how after DECADES of a porous border, NOW they have answers and can control it. What happens when Trump is gone? Right back to the corrupt crap that has been the norm for decades. Build a wall. It works. than a physical wall that will cost more and need more resources to manage long term. That's a load of meally mouthed Bullshit right there. Ranchers build fences and watch after them because it's a lot easier than having men control every inch every day. You want to explain Why a wall is gonna require more assets than no wall? The wall pays for itself by cutting out our losses. Read earlier post. Address my Points. Stop with the constant quotes from others. Sensors on the wall People patrolling |
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Title: Re: Pelosi pwns Donald Post by Eegore on 12/15/18 at 00:23:17 "You want to explain Why a wall is gonna require more assets than no wall?" The cost of the wall exceeds the cost of alternate measures that have more diverse usage. You want to explain how you or anyone is more qualified than the people who do the job today to decide where their money should be spent? "Interesting how after DECADES of a porous border, NOW they have answers and can control it." They have always had answers, but not efficiently allocated resources, like money. Now that there's potentially money, they have to let people who do not do their job in any capacity decide where that money goes. Unique to CBP, no other agency has this issue. "Build a wall. It works." CBP, ICE, DHS, AZ National Guard, US Army Corp of Engineers disagree, but people who are not there doing that work know better, the people on the ground doing the work are wrong. "Ranchers build fences and watch after them because it's a lot easier than having men control every inch every day." Ranchers are not containing humans. They utilize assistance from the CBP because their fences do not stop illegal immigrants from entering their property. If we were stopping illegal cattle this would apply. "You want to explain Why a wall is gonna require more assets than no wall?" No wall, but alternate cheaper methods that work better. You provide an example of a wall plus sensor tech, when sensor tech alone works better without a wall, and is cheaper, but this is according to people who do that work and they must be wrong. Sensors instead of a wall is the idea here. "The wall pays for itself by cutting out our losses." Not according to people who do the job, but they must be wrong because people who do not do the job say so. |
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Title: Re: Pelosi pwns Donald Post by Serowbot on 12/15/18 at 07:50:14 Trump has never used a ladder in his life... ;D |
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Title: Re: Pelosi pwns Donald Post by MnSpring on 12/15/18 at 16:01:14 0525272F3225400 wrote:
What does string, and some 'T' posts cost ? Camp Sumter, (Andersonville) The DEAD Line, means something completely different than, The deadline. 'The Wall", can be a wall like the Berlin Wall, (Which was built to keep people IN, not out) Or, 'The Wall', can be a piece of string. A line in the sand, you do NOT cross. A past administration, has allowed, all sorts of, 'Fairy Dust Sprinklers' to get their way, and, 'Sprinkle Fairy Dust'. It does NOT work. A, Wall, String, Line, needs to be ,'the line in the sand'. Now for the UL, Socialist, Panty in a bunch, Kum-By-You singers. Someone knocking on the door, asking can I come in, I will do this/that. Is welcome. Someone, SNEAKING, accost, is a Criminal/Illegal. |
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Title: Re: Pelosi pwns Donald Post by Eegore on 12/15/18 at 16:52:32 "Or, 'The Wall', can be a piece of string. A line in the sand, you do NOT cross." I agree, but the wall in discussion is a large physical barrier most likely concrete. I went to San Diego and saw the mock-ups presented to DHS. |
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Title: Re: Pelosi pwns Donald Post by verslagen1 on 12/17/18 at 08:07:41 6E4E4C44594E2B0 wrote:
Other tech... you mean like tear gas and bullets? Yes cheaper up front if you don't mind the political fallout. |
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Title: Re: Pelosi pwns Donald Post by Eegore on 12/17/18 at 08:59:13 "Other tech... you mean like tear gas and bullets?" No. More like FLIR Drones, or the automated algorithm human detector cameras. The drones used along the coast to detect sharks, or bodies, could be repurposed. I'd like to see testing done on this type of thing if we are going to pour money into it. |
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Title: Re: Pelosi pwns Donald Post by WebsterMark on 12/17/18 at 09:03:43 Anything other than a wall can be stopped with a stroke from a new administration's pen. Build a wall. |
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Title: Re: Pelosi pwns Donald Post by Eegore on 12/17/18 at 09:09:05 Even if the wall will exist but not work as intended, especially for the cost? Another example of how people who are not there doing that job say they know a wall will work, when the people doing the job, and associated on-site organizations say it won't. Why is it that the CBP is not capable of assessing its own needs? |
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Title: Re: Pelosi pwns Donald Post by MnSpring on 12/17/18 at 09:29:38 7656545C4156330 wrote:
Know their are, Drones and, Sensors, for the North boarder the USA. Why is 'testing' required ? Just learn what works their. Believe problems with the extreme cold in North cases had been dealt with. Just like most problems with extreme heat in South cases, because those items are already in use. Build off the knowledge we already have. No need to re-invent the wheel. (Well unless you are getting, Paid, to re-invent the wheel) |
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Title: Re: Pelosi pwns Donald Post by verslagen1 on 12/17/18 at 09:50:51 6A4A48405D4A2F0 wrote:
Those are great where there aren't cities feet apart or where large crowds can commingle. Where an unscalable wall is needed to separate crowds. |
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Title: Re: Pelosi pwns Donald Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/17/18 at 10:00:58 The question is not Can we control our border without a wall, but Will we? border-agents... Border Patrol agents are issuing Notices to Appear, consistent with law, regulation, and the department's enforcement priorities. Judd said there was an insidious plot laid by drug cartels as they helped children cross the border, asserting , "The unaccompanied minors could have walked right up to the Port of Entry and asked for asylum. Border Patrol told to stand down in Arizona - Washington … https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2005/may/13/20050513-122032-5055r May 13, 2005 · U.S. Border Patrol agents have been ordered not to arrest illegal aliens along the section of the Arizona border where protesters patrolled last month because an increase in apprehensions there ... Obama Admin. Orders Border Patrol to Stand Down ... https://conservative-daily.com/2014/03/12/4370 Stop the Obama administration from ordering our Border Patrol agents to stand-down! Since 2007, there have been 6,000 assaults on Federal Border Patrol agents, resulting in numerous injuries and the deaths of three agents. Breaking Obama Orders Border Patrol to Stand Down ... https://conservative-daily.com/2016/02/05/breaking%e2%9d%97-obama... Breaking Obama Orders Border Patrol to Stand Down. By Joe Otto / 02/05/2016 / Conservative Issues, Government Overreach, Immigration, The Constitution, Today's Action Alerts. Fellow Conservative, It always surprises me to learn just how far the Obama administration will go to damage the country. ACLU Wants Border Patrol to Stand-Down During … https://www.breitbart.com/border/2017/08/25/aclu-wants-border... The ACLU (American Civil Liberties Union) asked the U.S. Border Patrol to stand-down during Hurricane Harvey. They say the agency’s refusal to close checkpoints during the storm puts illegal aliens in grave danger.. Besides, lefties should Demanding control of the border, because people DIE trying to get in illegally. I've seen plenty of Much Loved democrats calling for a wall. It's a great idea when Bill or Hillary or Obama says it. Trump says it and the butthurt resistance explodes. We Need a wall. |
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Title: Re: Pelosi pwns Donald Post by WebsterMark on 12/17/18 at 10:14:21 133331392433560 wrote:
You mean people who'll be rendered unemployed? Hmm.... don't know why they'd be against it?..... |
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Title: Re: Pelosi pwns Donald Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/17/18 at 10:35:55 Why is it that the CBP is not capable of assessing its own needs? How long have they been around? When was the last time they actually got the job done? What happens IF they are given All the best technology and start to achieve the goal of controlling our border while Trump is in office, but the next administration forces them to Not do their job? We Need a wall And we need people and technology to defend the wall. Once America sees what Actually controlling the border does, and the stories about dead people who failed to cross the dessert safely, women raped and murdered, economic losses created by the immigrants and diseases not impacting our people, the wall will be a tool appreciated by Americans. |
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