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I think I've solved the puzzle.....
02/15/18 at 21:13:35
 
of why my attempts at a custom S40 have looked less than satisfactory.
to wit:  on the stock bike, the front axle centreline sits 13" above ground, while the rear axle sits 11.9" above ground, a rearward tilt of 1.1", exactly the opposite of what a good looking bike is.
Through changes in rim diameter and tire size, I will level out the axle centrelines, at which point I can decide how aggressive I want the stance to be, longer rear shock, or lowering the front with a RYCA top tree and pushing the fork tubes up.
At that point, I'll decide on a tracker, cafe or standard bike.
Open to comments...... Cool
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Reply #1 - 02/16/18 at 00:57:08
 
17" rims at each end gives 12" at the axles, 18" rims give 13".  Tempted to do 17", same as CB500F. Cool
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Reply #2 - 02/16/18 at 16:40:01
 
Expecting to raise the bike by changing to larger rims can be a bit deceiving ,most of the rims are narrower as are the tires that fit them, sidewall height is a percentage of tire width ,so a skinny tire has less sidewall height ,when added to the larger rim it may only be slightly taller than your stock tire and rim . you should check the diameters of the tires you will use before spending money on larger rims . a good site to compare is at -Tacomaworld.com-  scroll down the left side of the page and you'll find-Tire size calculator - which allows side by side comparisons with lots of info.
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Reply #3 - 02/16/18 at 21:43:00
 
I discovered tacoma world a few years ago. I've also spent time comparing a lot of different bikes and the stock tire sizes the oems used.

I wouldn't be doing any of this if my current rear tire size of 140/90-15 didn't look so goofy and my steering didn't feel so slow.

At this point I'm leaning towards 100/90-18F and 130/70-18R. I'll change the rear first with the stock shock length, try it and go from there. Cool
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Reply #4 - 02/16/18 at 23:08:55
 
Good, but you might look at the 130/90/15 for the rear ,that might allow as fast a  turn in as the 130/70 /18.  and you could go to a 90/90/19 on the front for the same reason. taller shocks will also decrease the neck angle , I run 13" progressive's myself. but it's your bike ,do what pleases you. good luck!
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Reply #5 - 02/16/18 at 23:53:18
 
I like the 18s front and rear on the tracker. Looks are good and it turns just fine. I think 17s would look funny and not improve turning all that much.
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Reply #6 - 02/17/18 at 03:27:57
 
zipidachimp wrote on 02/16/18 at 21:43:00:
At this point I'm leaning towards 100/90-18F and 130/70-18R. I'll change the rear first with the stock shock length, try it and go from there. Cool


Be sure to use rims of the proper width to match the tire you intend to use.  Vintage style tires with numbers like 3.50-18 are generally designed to fit on the narrow rims that were used......while modern tirs with numbers like 130/70-18 are made for use on wider rims.  If you squeeze a modern tire on a narrow rim the cross section profile of the tread is made rounder, and a portion of the tread is rolled over onto the sidewall where you will never be able to use it (The common mistake is to use the 130/70-18 tire on a 2.50-18 rim....I made that mistake with my first tire on my Cafe bike as I followed the trend.....then I learned my lesson when the tire wore the center of the tire really quickly and I had tread on the sidewalls that had never touched the pavement).

My current choice of tires for the Cafe is a shorter 90/90-18 on the front, it helps to quicken the steering as it is a light weight tire and helps to lower the front with the short sidewall (the 100/80-18 just looks too beefy to me after using the smaller tire).  For the rear the 130/70-18 on a 3.50-18 rim looks really beefy and matches the current big back tire trend......a 120/80-18 on the 2.50-18 looks more vintage appropriate, is lighter weight and is plenty of tire for the Savage power and weight).  

Here is the Cafe' tire discussion thread I started....it is applicable to your Tracker discussion.  There is a tire fitment guide for rim size vs. tire size:
http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1435340395
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Reply #7 - 02/17/18 at 07:46:12
 
Dave wrote on 02/17/18 at 03:27:57:
...a 120/80-18 on the 2.50-18 looks more vintage appropriate....


That's what I used on my bike.


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Reply #8 - 02/17/18 at 13:26:46
 
OHIO/Dave: nailed it!
For reference, the Norton Commando, the hot bike from the 60/70's used what we would now consider very skinny tires, but was really quick! Cool

https://silodrome.com/norton-commando-750/
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Reply #9 - 02/18/18 at 07:47:50
 
ohiomoto wrote on 02/17/18 at 07:46:12:
Dave wrote on 02/17/18 at 03:27:57:
...a 120/80-18 on the 2.50-18 looks more vintage appropriate....


That's what I used on my bike.

http://suzukisavage.com/yabb2.2/Attachments/IMG_20170727_071804829.jpg



Wow, this bike looks great. Any details about it that you can share? Such as what was need for the speedo relocate, fuel tank swap? Looks so nice..
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Reply #10 - 02/18/18 at 16:31:39
 
sgtsampay wrote on 02/18/18 at 07:47:50:
ohiomoto wrote on 02/17/18 at 07:46:12:
Dave wrote on 02/17/18 at 03:27:57:
...a 120/80-18 on the 2.50-18 looks more vintage appropriate....


That's what I used on my bike.

http://suzukisavage.com/yabb2.2/Attachments/IMG_20170727_071804829.jpg



Wow, this bike looks great. Any details about it that you can share? Such as what was need for the speedo relocate, fuel tank swap? Looks so nice..
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