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That 70's Show - 96 LS650 Build
08/26/16 at 07:33:51

EDIT: I'm changing the title of this thread because it's turning into my build thread and I'm too lazy to start another.

Your participation is welcome, but PLEASE stay on topic so that others will find it easier to follow along.

Thanks,

Tim

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DYI mid-controls: http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1487785879/0

I moved the original post down to the second post. That post is pretty much were my build started.

And here is a picture of where we currently sit (page 8).

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Re: 18" rear wheel, 2" dropped forks
Reply #1 - 08/26/16 at 07:45:26

Dual sport tires? What?!

I picked up a low mileage 96 earlier this summer. It was pretty much stock except the previous owner put a Dyna muffler on it. I bought this bike because I wanted a simple commuter that would be reliable and because I saw that it could be made into something cool with a little effort.

I've been tackling my "build" in mini stages so I can keep riding while I take my bike to a different place aesthetically. So far I've replaced the bars, fixed the oil leak, replaced the front brake pads, lowered the front end 2", laced up 2.50"x18" rear wheel and put a set of Shinko 705 dual sport tires on it.

I sourced the rim and spokes from Mike'sXS. A call to the nice folks at Buchanan confirmed that our hub uses spokes almost identical to the XS650. Mike's claims the rim is drilled for classic bikes, but I found that I needed to open the holes up a bit to work with our bike. (I think mostly because of quality control.)

The tires are 110/80-19 front and 120/80-18 rear. I DID NOT need to modify the swingarm to fit the rear wheel and I have about 1/4" clearance. But, the tire does occasionally bottom out against the lower part of the fear fender. (I may end up doing the swingarm mod if I go to a vintage tire at some point.)

I was unexpectedly pleased with the look of the 18" wheel and Shinko 705s on the stock bike with lowered front end. I though it would look a bit stupid (and you might think that!) but I actually like the sort of WWII look that is has. I should add that just lowering the front end transformed the handling of this bike and the 18" rear wheel further enhanced it.

I'll probably end up lacing up a 18"x2.15" or 19"x2.15" matching front rim at some point, but I have bigger fish to fry before I bother with that.

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BSTON Full Member Offline Posts: 218 Milwaukee, WI	Re: 18" rear wheel, 2" dropped forks & ? Reply #2 - 08/26/16 at 08:11:08 What else is going to get changed? What's the end vision for the bike?
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Re: 18" rear wheel, 2" dropped forks
Reply #3 - 08/26/16 at 08:29:08

Everything. Ha, ha...

It's going to be a brat/scrambler. Different rear subframe/seat/fender combo. Have a couple of tanks on the way, but I could even use stock tank with the speedo removed.

After that, the forward controls will be moved and then I'll clean up the middle of the bike and electrics. Then I'll take care of details as needed.

My goal is to keep it running as I take it through each phase.

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Gary_in_NJ Serious Thumper Offline LS650 Cafe Racer Posts: 2625 Amongst the Twisty Roads	Re: 18" rear wheel, 2" dropped forks & ? Reply #4 - 08/26/16 at 08:44:02 You'll be shocked how heavy the rear assembly is when it is removed. While I didn't weigh it, I would estimate it between 30-40 pounds. I was all too happy to toss it in the trash.
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BSTON Full Member Offline Posts: 218 Milwaukee, WI	Re: 18" rear wheel, 2" dropped forks & ? Reply #5 - 08/26/16 at 11:54:29 I couldn't believe it either. That and the muffler. Anyone know what the weight difference is between the stock muffler, dyna, and Emgo that Ryca provides?
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ohiomoto Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 2681 WTF is JOG?	Re: 18" rear wheel, 2" dropped forks & ? Reply #6 - 08/26/16 at 11:57:03 Yeah, I got most of a second bike when I bought it. I sold a bunch of that stuff off and it wasn't light, that's for sure.
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Ruttly Serious Thumper Offline Thumpers Rule Posts: 4997 Manteca , CA Gender:	Re: 18" rear wheel, 2" dropped forks & ? Reply #7 - 08/26/16 at 12:32:25 I'm not sure what it is , but I think I like the look , throw some flat track bars on it , then I'll ride it !
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Kris01 Serious Thumper Offline Eat, sleep, RIDE! Posts: 3767 Tennessee Gender:	Re: 18" rear wheel, 2" dropped forks & ? Reply #8 - 08/26/16 at 13:20:51 BSTON wrote on 08/26/16 at 11:54:29: Anyone know what the weight difference is between the stock muffler, dyna, and Emgo that Ryca provides? I think I read that the stock muffler is around 7 lbs heavier than the Dyna.
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ohiomoto Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 2681 WTF is JOG?	Re: 18" rear wheel, 2" dropped forks & ? Reply #9 - 08/26/16 at 13:57:28 Ruttly wrote on 08/26/16 at 12:32:25: I'm not sure what it is , but I think I like the look , throw some flat track bars on it , then I'll ride it ! I have a set waiting to go on. Was going to wait for seat, but maybe I'll toss it on for you.
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Re: 18" rear wheel, 2" dropped forks
Reply #10 - 08/26/16 at 18:33:32

I'm thinking of doing about the same thing...

I'm wondering if a 17 inch rim wouldn't be better Huh

Tire selection seems a bit better and you won't have to worry as much about the swingarm so much, as the tire won't be too much bigger than stock.

I'd like to get a cheap used rim if I can. I'm wondering... I'm guessing you may be able to mount an old GS550 wire wheel right on there. I think they're 18 x 2.15. I'm a bit shy of the 2.15 because it's harder to find dual sport tires to fit it. 120/90-17 is one of the best sizes to rim for when it comes to DS tire selection. 2.50 would be great size.

Can't say you'll find a suzuki rim that matches, though, unless you get a DR rim or something, and that's gonna be expensive. So far, I seem to recall old Goldwing rims are the right size... Don't know if the spoke specs are right, though...

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Ruttly Serious Thumper Offline Thumpers Rule Posts: 4997 Manteca , CA Gender:	Re: 18" rear wheel, 2" dropped forks & ? Reply #11 - 08/27/16 at 09:34:50 Newbee , yes way more 17" tires available than 18" , wish my RYCA had 17" instead of 18"
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cheapnewb24 Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 1373 Virginia Gender:	Re: 18" rear wheel, 2" dropped forks Reply #12 - 08/27/16 at 11:55:20 I wonder if something like this will work. http://www.ebay.com/itm/1975-Honda-Gold-Wing-Original-DID-2-50-x-17-Rear-Whee... ... And why on earth did they use 18 inch rims?!? I'm guessing 18 inch is more classic than 17? Or maybe they wanted front and rear to be nearer to the same? Narrower?
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Ruttly Serious Thumper Offline Thumpers Rule Posts: 4997 Manteca , CA Gender:	Re: 18" rear wheel, 2" dropped forks & ? Reply #13 - 08/27/16 at 13:22:11 Gold wings are shaft drive !?!
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cheapnewb24 Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 1373 Virginia Gender:	Re: 18" rear wheel, 2" dropped forks Reply #14 - 08/27/16 at 13:48:32 I mean the hoop. I think.
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