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10/11/17 at 05:44:47
 
New details about shooting coming out. Security guard was shot first, not during attack as reported earlier. Hotel maintenance barely escaped being shot in hallway and went back downstairs to lock all the elevators so no one would take one to 32nd floor. Typical in tne middle of an event like this, information didn't flow fast enough and took swat a while to know what floor, what room.
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Reply #1 - 10/11/17 at 09:28:10
 
How long has it taken for them to figure out
This guy got shot First?
Explain why I should accept that people knew what floor, but they didnt tell swat?
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Reply #2 - 10/11/17 at 09:57:33
 
That stuff happens all the time in hectic events. Listen to the 9/11 tapes. The bad or missing information was incredible. I remember reading a story that when Bush was returning to DC on 9/11,  they got a warning from the secret service that air force one was targeted by an inside job. Turns out, a SS agent wasn't reporting a target at all. When he confirmed that air force one was returning to DC, he said that "Angel" was returning to DC. Angel was the code word for Air Force One that day. When someone higher up read that, he thought because the word Angel was used, someone had inside information and could track Air Force one.
And not just 9/11, most any catastrophic incident is like that. I don't think its unusual for there to be a delay like that. Not ideal, but not unusual.
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Reply #3 - 10/11/17 at 11:55:25
 

 Take two eyewitnesses of a car accident and tell me you don't wonder about history.
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Reply #4 - 10/11/17 at 12:13:06
 
Absolutely. I've watched some shows on how the brain works and it seems much of what you see, especially if it's moving fast, you don't really see. You're brain 'projects' images based on what you've learned as you grow up. That's what some optical illusions are based on.
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Reply #5 - 10/11/17 at 12:54:56
 
"Police said Monday they believe gunman Stephen Paddock shot a hotel security guard through the door of his suite six minutes before he unleashed a barrage of bullets into the crowd of concert-goers, killing 58 people and injuring hundreds more."

Any headlines you read about if the police had acted quicker, they might have been able to stop the attack is nonsense. Six minutes would not have been enough time to do anything. I read he shot for a total of 11 minutes meaning from first shot to last, it was a total of 17 minutes. No way you're going to get a Swat team or any kind of organized effort together and up to the 32nd floor of a hotel in 17 minutes. You could certainly get a few of the nearest uniformed cops up there maybe, but that would be the best you could hope for in 17 minutes unless SWAT HQ was right next to the hotel and they were sitting around in their gear.
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Reply #6 - 10/11/17 at 15:22:40
 
Why no pictures of muzzle flashes on the 32 floor?  Even if he was inside a few feet you would still see something.....  

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Reply #7 - 10/11/17 at 15:59:21
 
I've shot guns at night with no muzzle flash. I don't know the mechanisms that creates a flash. But what would be the alternative? Are you suggesting something?
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Reply #8 - 10/11/17 at 17:03:41
 

 Everyone and their mother asking why there weren't muzzle flashes are saying its a conspiracy.  The taxi video showing "flashes" on the 4th floor is "proof" even though they don't know jack about ballistics.

 Not every firearm produces a high lumen muzzle flash, but we can ignore that.
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Reply #9 - 10/11/17 at 17:10:22
 
Eegore wrote on 10/11/17 at 17:03:41:
 Everyone and their mother asking why there weren't muzzle flashes are saying its a conspiracy.  The taxi video showing "flashes" on the 4th floor is "proof" even though they don't know jack about ballistics.

 Not every firearm produces a high lumen muzzle flash, but we can ignore that.



Do you support the argument all 23 weapons he had in the hotel room had flash suppressors?

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Reply #10 - 10/11/17 at 18:34:10
 
A candle at 1,000 feet might not be visible. There may have been muzzle flash, just not visible at that distance.
Flash is caused by burning gases exiting the barrel.
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Reply #11 - 10/11/17 at 18:56:04
 
A candle at 1,000 feet might not be visible.

It is, depending, on time of day.

At, ’sunset’, when a, ’season’ for something ends.
and their is a, ’flash’,  one knows, a firearm was fired.
     (Field, Woods, Swamp)

Especially if it was a, ‘re-load’, because many think,
 “Just a Bit more grains of power, will make it better’
  (Which it does NOT)

Don’t know the time, but if it was, 15 min before, or after, ’Sunset’,
if a person was looking in the correct direction,
  ‘Ray Charles’, could have seen muzzle flashes.

Unless the shooter had sophisticated, ‘Flash Hiders’
  (Which it was reported he did not)
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Reply #12 - 10/11/17 at 20:17:27
 
There's a video from a cop with a body cam who's taking cover.

http://www.businessinsider.com/las-vegas-mass-shooting-police-body-camera-vid...

At the 1:56 mark.

"They're shooting right at us, guys — everybody stay down," one policeman can be heard saying on camera.

Another officer shouts: "I see muzzle flashes from the Mandalay Bay! I can see it in the room. Everybody get down!" A new round of gunshots ensues.


If there are no cell phone videos of muzzle flashes, my guess is two reasons. 1) the distance of 400+ yards looking into the lights of the hotel and 2) during the shooting, everyone with a camera was taking cover while he was firing. I've not seen a whole bunch of different videos. The same few. However, go on YouTube and you'll see a bunch of obvious fakes.
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Reply #13 - 10/12/17 at 04:54:19
 
I don't know what happened but,  I don't buy the official narrative for several reasons.  That hotel room should have been ankle deep in expended brass.  There were clips with multiple weapons being fired simultaneously.  The Bellagio was shot-up that night as well but they didn't report it.

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MEDIA BEGGING US FOR CONSPIRACY THEORIES ON LAS VEGAS
October 11, 2017
Ann Coulter

Now the media are just taunting us with their tall tales about Stephen Paddock, the alleged Las Vegas shooter. Reputedly serious news organizations are claiming that he made a living playing video poker. That's like claiming someone made a living smoking crack.

The media are either doing PR for the gambling industry or they don't want anyone considering the possibility that Paddock was using gambling to launder money.

NBC News reports, with a straight face: "Las Vegas gunman earned millions as a gambler." A Los Angeles Times article is headlined, "In the solitary world of video poker, Stephen Paddock knew how to win." The story says that Paddock's gambling "was at least a steady income over a period of years."

I don't know all the ins and outs of Paddock's life, but that's a lie.

How do reporters imagine casino owners make a living? Any ideas on how all those glorious lobbies, lights, pools and fountains are paid for? How do they think Sheldon Adelson and Steve Wynn became billionaires if gambling is a winning proposition for people like Paddock -- and therefore, by definition, a losing proposition for the casinos?

The media think about money the way Democrats do. They have absolutely no conception of where it originates. Those casino owners sure are generous! reporters think to themselves. Economist Thomas Sowell is always ridiculing journalists for not understanding basic economics. It turns out, they don't understand the spreadsheet of a lemonade stand.

The New York Times explained that the "top" video poker machines pay out 99.17 percent. That's great that Paddock was only losing cents on the dollar (if true), but it's still losing. The Times quickly explained that he could have more than made up his losses with all the "comps" -- the free rooms, meals and "50-year-old port that costs $500 a glass," as his brother Eric said.

Gamblers who are beating the house are not given $500 glasses of port. Refer to the profit/loss spreadsheet. And yet, according to his brother, Paddock was treated like royalty by the casinos. Which means he was losing.

Apart from outright theft, the only way to have an advantage over the casino is by card-counting. That's not cheating and it doesn't guarantee a win. It merely allows the gambler to make a more educated guess as each card is played, thereby tilting the odds ever so slightly in his favor. Still, if the casinos suspect a customer is counting cards, he will be promptly escorted off the premises.

And counting cards only helps with blackjack. Paddock's game of choice was VIDEO POKER. That's a computer! It's programmed to ensure the house wins. Not all the time, but at least often enough to make casino owners multibillionaires. Anyone who plays video poker over an extended period of time will absolutely, 100 percent, by basic logic, end up a net loser.

So why are the media insistent that Paddock was getting rich by playing video poker?

I don't know what happened -- and, apparently, neither do the cops -- but it's kind of odd that we keep being told things that aren't true about the Las Vegas massacre, from the basic timeline to this weird insistence that Paddock made a good living at gambling.

The most likely explanation is that the reporters and investigators are incompetent nitwits. But the changing facts from law enforcement and preposterous lies from the press aren't doing a lot to tamp down alternative theories of the crime.

Among the questions not being asked by our wildly incurious media:

Why would Paddock unload 200 rounds into the hallway at a security guard who was checking on someone else's room before beginning his massacre?

How can it possibly take eight days to figure out when the alleged shooter checked into the hotel?

Why was Paddock wearing gloves if he was about to commit suicide?

Have any other solitary mass shooters ever had girlfriends?

If Paddock wasn't making money on video poker -- and he wasn't -- why would he be cycling millions of dollars through a casino, turning every dollar into, at best, 99 cents?

Maybe Paddock enjoyed video poker. But if the allegedly serious media are going to keep telling us he was making a living doing it, they're just begging us to say that losing a percent or two on millions of dollars doesn't make sense as an investment strategy, but it does make sense as a money laundering operation.

And the probable illicit business requiring money to be laundered that leaps out at us in Paddock's case is illegal gun sales. If true, it would not only explain the arsenal in his hotel room, but also raises the possibility of either an accomplice or different perpetrator altogether.

If this were a movie script, a terrorist would go to Paddock's room on the pretense of buying guns, kill Paddock, commit the massacre, put his gunshot residue-covered gloves on Paddock's dead hands and slip out of the room when the coast was clear.

According to the all-new timeline given by the Las Vegas police -- pending a third revision -- this is at least possible. The hallway was empty, except for a bleeding security guard down by the elevators, for at least two minutes after the shooting stopped. The stairwell was clear for more than half an hour. It also explains the gloves.

There's no evidence for any of this, but on the other hand, there's no evidence for the version the media are giving us. At least the movie script version doesn't require us to pretend that Paddock was making "millions" from video poker.

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