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Message started by WebsterMark on 10/11/17 at 05:44:47

Title: New Vegas info
Post by WebsterMark on 10/11/17 at 05:44:47

New details about shooting coming out. Security guard was shot first, not during attack as reported earlier. Hotel maintenance barely escaped being shot in hallway and went back downstairs to lock all the elevators so no one would take one to 32nd floor. Typical in tne middle of an event like this, information didn't flow fast enough and took swat a while to know what floor, what room.

Title: Re: New Vegas info
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/11/17 at 09:28:10

How long has it taken for them to figure out
This guy got shot First?
Explain why I should accept that people knew what floor, but they didnt tell swat?

Title: Re: New Vegas info
Post by WebsterMark on 10/11/17 at 09:57:33

That stuff happens all the time in hectic events. Listen to the 9/11 tapes. The bad or missing information was incredible. I remember reading a story that when Bush was returning to DC on 9/11, they got a warning from the secret service that air force one was targeted by an inside job. Turns out, a SS agent wasn't reporting a target at all. When he confirmed that air force one was returning to DC, he said that "Angel" was returning to DC. Angel was the code word for Air Force One that day. When someone higher up read that, he thought because the word Angel was used, someone had inside information and could track Air Force one.
And not just 9/11, most any catastrophic incident is like that. I don't think its unusual for there to be a delay like that. Not ideal, but not unusual.

Title: Re: New Vegas info
Post by Eegore on 10/11/17 at 11:55:25

Take two eyewitnesses of a car accident and tell me you don't wonder about history.

Title: Re: New Vegas info
Post by WebsterMark on 10/11/17 at 12:13:06

Absolutely. I've watched some shows on how the brain works and it seems much of what you see, especially if it's moving fast, you don't really see. You're brain 'projects' images based on what you've learned as you grow up. That's what some optical illusions are based on.

Title: Re: New Vegas info
Post by WebsterMark on 10/11/17 at 12:54:56

"Police said Monday they believe gunman Stephen Paddock shot a hotel security guard through the door of his suite six minutes before he unleashed a barrage of bullets into the crowd of concert-goers, killing 58 people and injuring hundreds more."

Any headlines you read about if the police had acted quicker, they might have been able to stop the attack is nonsense. Six minutes would not have been enough time to do anything. I read he shot for a total of 11 minutes meaning from first shot to last, it was a total of 17 minutes. No way you're going to get a Swat team or any kind of organized effort together and up to the 32nd floor of a hotel in 17 minutes. You could certainly get a few of the nearest uniformed cops up there maybe, but that would be the best you could hope for in 17 minutes unless SWAT HQ was right next to the hotel and they were sitting around in their gear.

Title: Re: New Vegas info
Post by pg on 10/11/17 at 15:22:40

Why no pictures of muzzle flashes on the 32 floor? Even if he was inside a few feet you would still see something.....

Best regards,

Title: Re: New Vegas info
Post by WebsterMark on 10/11/17 at 15:59:21

I've shot guns at night with no muzzle flash. I don't know the mechanisms that creates a flash. But what would be the alternative? Are you suggesting something?

Title: Re: New Vegas info
Post by Eegore on 10/11/17 at 17:03:41

Everyone and their mother asking why there weren't muzzle flashes are saying its a conspiracy. The taxi video showing "flashes" on the 4th floor is "proof" even though they don't know jack about ballistics.

Not every firearm produces a high lumen muzzle flash, but we can ignore that.

Title: Re: New Vegas info
Post by pg on 10/11/17 at 17:10:22

1D3D3F372A3D580 wrote:

Do you support the argument all 23 weapons he had in the hotel room had flash suppressors?

Best regards,

Title: Re: New Vegas info
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/11/17 at 18:34:10

A candle at 1,000 feet might not be visible. There may have been muzzle flash, just not visible at that distance.
Flash is caused by burning gases exiting the barrel.

Title: Re: New Vegas info
Post by MnSpring on 10/11/17 at 18:56:04

A candle at 1,000 feet might not be visible.

It is, depending, on time of day.

At, ’sunset’, when a, ’season’ for something ends.
and their is a, ’flash’, one knows, a firearm was fired.
(Field, Woods, Swamp)

Especially if it was a, ‘re-load’, because many think,
“Just a Bit more grains of power, will make it better’
(Which it does NOT)

Don’t know the time, but if it was, 15 min before, or after, ’Sunset’,
if a person was looking in the correct direction,
‘Ray Charles’, could have seen muzzle flashes.

Unless the shooter had sophisticated, ‘Flash Hiders’
(Which it was reported he did not)

Title: Re: New Vegas info
Post by WebsterMark on 10/11/17 at 20:17:27

There's a video from a cop with a body cam who's taking cover.

http://www.businessinsider.com/las-vegas-mass-shooting-police-body-camera-video-footage-2017-10

At the 1:56 mark.

"They're shooting right at us, guys — everybody stay down," one policeman can be heard saying on camera.

Another officer shouts: "I see muzzle flashes from the Mandalay Bay! I can see it in the room. Everybody get down!" A new round of gunshots ensues.

If there are no cell phone videos of muzzle flashes, my guess is two reasons. 1) the distance of 400+ yards looking into the lights of the hotel and 2) during the shooting, everyone with a camera was taking cover while he was firing. I've not seen a whole bunch of different videos. The same few. However, go on YouTube and you'll see a bunch of obvious fakes.

Title: Re: New Vegas info
Post by pg on 10/12/17 at 04:54:19

I don't know what happened but, I don't buy the official narrative for several reasons. That hotel room should have been ankle deep in expended brass. There were clips with multiple weapons being fired simultaneously. The Bellagio was shot-up that night as well but they didn't report it.

Best regards,

Title: Re: New Vegas info
Post by WebsterMark on 10/12/17 at 05:03:07

MEDIA BEGGING US FOR CONSPIRACY THEORIES ON LAS VEGAS
October 11, 2017
Ann Coulter

Now the media are just taunting us with their tall tales about Stephen Paddock, the alleged Las Vegas shooter. Reputedly serious news organizations are claiming that he made a living playing video poker. That's like claiming someone made a living smoking crack.

The media are either doing PR for the gambling industry or they don't want anyone considering the possibility that Paddock was using gambling to launder money.

NBC News reports, with a straight face: "Las Vegas gunman earned millions as a gambler." A Los Angeles Times article is headlined, "In the solitary world of video poker, Stephen Paddock knew how to win." The story says that Paddock's gambling "was at least a steady income over a period of years."

I don't know all the ins and outs of Paddock's life, but that's a lie.

How do reporters imagine casino owners make a living? Any ideas on how all those glorious lobbies, lights, pools and fountains are paid for? How do they think Sheldon Adelson and Steve Wynn became billionaires if gambling is a winning proposition for people like Paddock -- and therefore, by definition, a losing proposition for the casinos?

The media think about money the way Democrats do. They have absolutely no conception of where it originates. Those casino owners sure are generous! reporters think to themselves. Economist Thomas Sowell is always ridiculing journalists for not understanding basic economics. It turns out, they don't understand the spreadsheet of a lemonade stand.

The New York Times explained that the "top" video poker machines pay out 99.17 percent. That's great that Paddock was only losing cents on the dollar (if true), but it's still losing. The Times quickly explained that he could have more than made up his losses with all the "comps" -- the free rooms, meals and "50-year-old port that costs $500 a glass," as his brother Eric said.

Gamblers who are beating the house are not given $500 glasses of port. Refer to the profit/loss spreadsheet. And yet, according to his brother, Paddock was treated like royalty by the casinos. Which means he was losing.

Apart from outright theft, the only way to have an advantage over the casino is by card-counting. That's not cheating and it doesn't guarantee a win. It merely allows the gambler to make a more educated guess as each card is played, thereby tilting the odds ever so slightly in his favor. Still, if the casinos suspect a customer is counting cards, he will be promptly escorted off the premises.

And counting cards only helps with blackjack. Paddock's game of choice was VIDEO POKER. That's a computer! It's programmed to ensure the house wins. Not all the time, but at least often enough to make casino owners multibillionaires. Anyone who plays video poker over an extended period of time will absolutely, 100 percent, by basic logic, end up a net loser.

So why are the media insistent that Paddock was getting rich by playing video poker?

I don't know what happened -- and, apparently, neither do the cops -- but it's kind of odd that we keep being told things that aren't true about the Las Vegas massacre, from the basic timeline to this weird insistence that Paddock made a good living at gambling.

The most likely explanation is that the reporters and investigators are incompetent nitwits. But the changing facts from law enforcement and preposterous lies from the press aren't doing a lot to tamp down alternative theories of the crime.

Among the questions not being asked by our wildly incurious media:

Why would Paddock unload 200 rounds into the hallway at a security guard who was checking on someone else's room before beginning his massacre?

How can it possibly take eight days to figure out when the alleged shooter checked into the hotel?

Why was Paddock wearing gloves if he was about to commit suicide?

Have any other solitary mass shooters ever had girlfriends?

If Paddock wasn't making money on video poker -- and he wasn't -- why would he be cycling millions of dollars through a casino, turning every dollar into, at best, 99 cents?

Maybe Paddock enjoyed video poker. But if the allegedly serious media are going to keep telling us he was making a living doing it, they're just begging us to say that losing a percent or two on millions of dollars doesn't make sense as an investment strategy, but it does make sense as a money laundering operation.

And the probable illicit business requiring money to be laundered that leaps out at us in Paddock's case is illegal gun sales. If true, it would not only explain the arsenal in his hotel room, but also raises the possibility of either an accomplice or different perpetrator altogether.

If this were a movie script, a terrorist would go to Paddock's room on the pretense of buying guns, kill Paddock, commit the massacre, put his gunshot residue-covered gloves on Paddock's dead hands and slip out of the room when the coast was clear.

According to the all-new timeline given by the Las Vegas police -- pending a third revision -- this is at least possible. The hallway was empty, except for a bleeding security guard down by the elevators, for at least two minutes after the shooting stopped. The stairwell was clear for more than half an hour. It also explains the gloves.

There's no evidence for any of this, but on the other hand, there's no evidence for the version the media are giving us. At least the movie script version doesn't require us to pretend that Paddock was making "millions" from video poker.

COPYRIGHT 2017 ANN COULTER
DISTRIBUTED BY ANDREWS MCMEEL SYNDICATION
1130 Walnut St., Kansas City, MO 64106; 816-581-7500

Title: Re: New Vegas info
Post by pg on 10/12/17 at 07:30:32

2730363A3525570 wrote:

Lombardo said he had help. Even the note with calculations is BS. Anyone who owns 40 guns would know a 223 wouldn't drop more than a foot at 500 yards. No casino would let a hotel guest use their freight elevator........

Best regards,

Title: Re: New Vegas info
Post by Eegore on 10/12/17 at 08:25:32

Muzzle flash in real life isn't cut and dry like the movies and youtube experts want you to believe. You can not always see muzzle flash, especially at long distance due to the flash being so small.

Why isn't shaky-ass cell phone footage showing what I think I should see? Maybe because its a bullshit recording device from a person scared shitless? Nah, its because "no hotel lets a guest use a freight elevator." Lets ignore that I have myself used freight elevators in more than one hotel, but hey maybe I'm the only person in the world who has ever done that.

Also why do we choose to ignore the audio of people indicating they are seeing flashes up on the Mandalay Bay?

"Ankle Deep" in brass is thousands upon thousands of rounds in a room that big. Did you even do the math? Have you never seen a bullet?

My 7.62 cans are 7" x 4" x 10" and hold 200 linked rounds. Our 55 gal drums of spent ammo hold around 40,000 rounds, one dropped off a pallet inside a con-ex and wasn't even close to covering 1/3 of that container without any rounds stacking. Again that was 40 thousand rounds. (edit: Got a return email stating the last barrel ran 39,688 through the cleaner)

I'm not saying I know what happened but so many people are choosing to ignore certain things or are using no data-based opinions at all.

Title: Re: New Vegas info
Post by WebsterMark on 10/12/17 at 08:44:56

I've set up multiple trade show exhibits in Las Vegas over the years. I distinctly remember last year taking the freight elevator despite a big sign saying not to use without authorized representative. If it isn't locked and I've got a bunch of stuff, I take it.

I remember 3 or 4 years ago, we had business with Best Buy. I had to get on the rooftops of all the Best Buys in central Illinois. I did 20 in one day. I walked in, asked for the store manager, told him why I was there, and all but one just handed over their keys to the hatch on top of the ladder which was always back in their storage room. Only one took the time to call their home office to confirm.

If you just act like you're suppose to be there, 9 out of 10 times, you can go anywhere. Any business to business sales guy like me will tell you that. I go wherever I want until I'm stopped and then just play like I didn't see the sign or didn't know I wasn't suppose to be there.

Title: Re: New Vegas info
Post by Serowbot on 10/12/17 at 08:54:58

... but, conspiracy theory is so fun... :-?

Title: Re: New Vegas info
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/12/17 at 16:25:30

Especially when
Observed Reality
Conflicts with the
Official story

Title: Re: New Vegas info
Post by pg on 10/12/17 at 18:00:11

0E2E2C24392E4B0 wrote:

"Ankle Deep" in brass is thousands upon thousands of rounds in a room that big. Did you even do the math? Have you never seen a bullet?

It was a figure of speech used in a non-literal sense. I have read anywhere from 600 - 900 rounds were discharge. There would be a whole lot more brass than that. Yes, I go shooting on occasion and I have sent my fair share of 7.62 X 39 mm down range.

http://www.rense.com/general96/crime1.jpg

http://www.rense.com/general96/crime3.jpg

Best regards,

Title: Re: New Vegas info
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/12/17 at 18:47:14

Why haul all those guns and ammo up there ?
If someone wanted to kill a buncha people, wouldn't they load and stage weapons, shoot one till it was too hot, grab another, shoot, grab another, shoot?
No way he even shot every gun.

Sure was a lot of quiet time between bursts.

WTF?

Title: Re: New Vegas info
Post by Eegore on 10/13/17 at 05:34:58

if I've learned anything working around criminals its that they don't use a ton of logic.

Assessing what we would do will have little bearing on the facts behind what this person actually did.

Also with all the variables involved here I would say there's no "Official Story" at this time. Evidence is still being collected.

All we are doing is reading media reports and trying to attach our own logic to the situation.

Title: Re: New Vegas info
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/13/17 at 07:44:43

When anyone decides to do something
They think about it
And decide what to do
He decided to take a buncha guns
And a buncha bullets
And, illogical, irrational criminal that he was, managed to remain undetected and got his attack off.
By your logic
No big crimes should have been successful, because criminals are not able to make good decisions.
And, since teams have managed some major crimes, knowing that Weakness Inherent in Criminals just makes them all the more shocking.

Title: Re: New Vegas info
Post by Serowbot on 10/13/17 at 07:56:39

Because a couple of pictures don't show 1,000 shells you see intrigue?...
That's adding 2 + your imagination and coming up with 737... ;D

Title: Re: New Vegas info
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/13/17 at 08:31:42

If that's the window he shot at fuel tanks through, I wouldn't expect many shells.

It won't hurt anything to show us the spent casings anyway..

Since the perpetrator is dead, why not let us see? Is it gonna hurt the prosecutor's case against him?

Title: Re: New Vegas info
Post by pg on 10/13/17 at 14:16:41

3422352830252833470 wrote:

Because a couple of pictures don't show 1,000 shells you see intrigue?...
That's adding 2 + your imagination and coming up with 737... ;D

There are plenty more than just those two if you are interested. How about a timeline of events that they change every day. Or the prime witness comes up missing right before a TV interview.....

http://dailycaller.com/2017/10/13/las-vegas-security-guard-disappears-before-tv-interviews/

Best regards,

Title: Re: New Vegas info
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/13/17 at 14:53:25

prime witness comes up missing right before a TV interview.....

He went
Lone Ranger..
And they slapped a gag order on his family.

Fact subject to change.
Like the others.

Title: Re: New Vegas info
Post by pg on 10/13/17 at 17:00:57

5D4B5C41594C415A2E0 wrote:

Because a couple of pictures don't show 1,000 shells you see intrigue?...
That's adding 2 + your imagination and coming up with 737... ;D

How about forensic acoustics?

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxmEFeKy8aI[/media]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxmEFeKy8aI

Best regards,

Title: Re: New Vegas info
Post by MnSpring on 10/13/17 at 17:06:28

Decline to comment, on what, ‘Exactly” Happened.

As I was not their, and am relying, on other sources, to tell the truth.

(Kinna Like, Noor & Damond shooting, Just Not gonna Happen)

Do have a comment on the statement, by the Media:
“…largest mass shooting…”

I believe that, was actually in, (near), Waco TX.
In 1993, 76 people dead.

Title: Re: New Vegas info
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/13/17 at 17:16:15

Is it REALLY NECESSARY to type every caveat?
We're talking about
Shootings
Committed by
One or two idiots.
Not a platoon.

Title: Re: New Vegas info
Post by MnSpring on 10/13/17 at 17:53:20

4156505C5343310 wrote:

[quote author=5D4B5C41594C415A2E0 link=1507725887/15#24 date=1507906599]Because a couple of pictures don't show 1,000 shells you see intrigue?...
That's adding 2 + your imagination and coming up with 737... ;D

How about forensic acoustics?
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxmEFeKy8aI[/media]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxmEFeKy8aI Best regards,[/quote]

(Another Comment, after seeing, PG’s post)

Wait, WAIT,
One believes, “JUST’, because someone is, ‘FBI’.
They KNOW, and Understand,
‘Feet Per Second”
‘Foot Pounds of Energy”
‘Ballistic Coefficients’
’Time of flight’
’Speed of Sound’.
‘Drift, Drop, Trajectory, MOA, Triangulation, etc. etc. etc’

Now, THAT, would be, would be,
’Tin Foil Hat’, thinking.

Now, their ‘could be’, someone in the FBI, that Does, understand the above.

But to believe, they do, ‘JUST’, because someone has that badge ?????????

(Mart-Mart, has a sale on Tin Foil)

Title: Re: New Vegas info
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/13/17 at 18:29:53

That's perfectly scientific
IF, IF, IF,
The correct impact sound is attributed to the correct report.

Title: Re: New Vegas info
Post by pg on 10/14/17 at 15:05:29

MEDIA BEGGING US FOR CONSPIRACY THEORIES ON LAS VEGAS
October 11, 2017
Ann Coulter

Wow, Ann Coulter going Alex Jones!!

Best regards,

Title: Re: New Vegas info
Post by Serowbot on 10/14/17 at 15:31:37

Egghead science... from armchair experts...
There are much easier and more definitive methods for determining direction...

Blood spatter will all be basically one direction (disregarding ricochets, which would be reduced severity)
Lots of holes in things from one direction and angle
... I'm sure these are all being analysed...

Remember the JFK audio tape?... turned out to be total BS...

Title: Re: New Vegas info
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/14/17 at 15:42:31

Direction from comparing time differences?
You're not serious..

That video about the acoustics is for Distance.

If more than one
Distance
Is revealed
What does that say?

Title: Re: New Vegas info
Post by Serowbot on 10/14/17 at 16:18:54

The problem with conspiracies is they aren't discovered, they are created...

Title: Re: New Vegas info
Post by pg on 10/14/17 at 16:24:40

697F68756D78756E1A0 wrote:

The problem with conspiracies is they aren't discovered, they are created...

Kinda like global warming, I meant climate change, I mean ........

Best regards,

Title: Re: New Vegas info
Post by Serowbot on 10/14/17 at 16:30:18

Exactly the opposite...

Title: Re: New Vegas info
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/14/17 at 16:55:06

You're aware that
Conspiracy
Is a word commonly used on legal papers when charging people for crimes?

You're so in love with government that you accept whatever they say
Even AFTER being Shown Lie after Lie.

Title: Re: New Vegas info
Post by Serowbot on 10/14/17 at 17:53:02

Do you still think Sandy Hook was fake?...

Title: Re: New Vegas info
Post by MnSpring on 10/14/17 at 17:55:32

The, Speed of ’Sound’,
And the speed of, (in this case a projectile)
Are TWO DIFFERENT SPEEDS.

Gee, ever see LIGHTING, Then 1-7 Sec later, hear the, BOOM.
(Sound and light travel at DIFFERENT Speeds)
Just the same as, the, ‘report’ from a firearm,
and a projectile, striking.

It is, NOT:
" Egghead science… from armchair experts...
Speed, of sound is a absolute, in a place, where absolute sea level, Humidity, Temperature, exists.
(Adjusted for the conditions that existed at that time)
Speed of, a Projectile, is an absolute, (which is a measured thing),
Depending on the B.C. of the projectile, (which is a known thing),
Depending on the weight of the projectile, (Which is a known thing)
The, distance of a projectile, from it’s target, can be determined.

Now, for the, ’SNOWFLAKES’.

Not saying, what happened, (Was Not Their)
Not saying what was recorded. (Was Not Their and did Not Record)
Not saying the recording Are, ’perfect’. (I Did Not Collect them)

AM, saying the, ’SCIENCE”, of analyzing that information,
Is, NOT, “from armchair experts”.

(Like the, ‘pocket stuffing person’,
who said they invented the Internet was)

And as far as, ’Sound’, determining # of Shooter/s
VS
The, ’Trajectory’, of a Shooter/s.

Well JOG, addressed that, very well.

Title: Re: New Vegas info
Post by Serowbot on 10/14/17 at 18:29:41

Why do conspiracies always lean to the Right?...
Hmmmm?... :-/

It's a riddle... :-?

Answer...
Because facts lean to the Left... ;D

Title: Re: New Vegas info
Post by MnSpring on 10/14/17 at 18:36:41

7C6A7D60786D607B0F0 wrote:

Why do conspiracies always lean to the Right?...
Hmmmm?... :-/ It's a riddle... Answer... Because facts lean to the Left... ;D

Cheese and Rice.

(See you REMOVED, your post, about why,
you do not believe, the, ’Sound’,
has any relevance)

Draw a line.
Put a dot at, one end, another dot at the other end,
then put a dot in the middle.

Now, lets say, the dot, at the left side, fired at the dot on the right side.
Now, say, the dot in the middle, fired at the dot the right side.
(Same Thing used buy each)

The two sounds, (Sound of Firing, sound of hitting)
Will be the same ????????

No Wonder, have no, ‘Ocean’, fronts lots, left to sell, in Tucson AZ.

NOW, AGAIN, For the ‘Fairy Dust Sprinklers’.

It is NOT, a mater of, ‘IF, or Not IF,
such a thing is, or could be, proven, or the information released.

It is a mater, of, FACT.

The, ‘FACTS”, are Not ANY, means a, ‘conspiracy’.

Title: Re: New Vegas info
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/14/17 at 21:14:49

3620372A32272A31450 wrote:

Why do conspiracies always lean to the Right?...
Hmmmm?... :-/

It's a riddle... :-?

Answer...
Because facts lean to the Left... ;D

WTF
???

Title: Re: New Vegas info
Post by pg on 10/15/17 at 07:24:57

7265636F6070020 wrote:

[quote author=697F68756D78756E1A0 link=1507725887/30#36 date=1508023134]The problem with conspiracies is they aren't discovered, they are created...

Kinda like global warming, I meant climate change, I mean ........

Best regards,[/quote]

I recant my position on climate change. Not really, but holy $hit.

http://https://icons.wunderground.com/data/images/at201717.gif

Best regards,

Title: Re: New Vegas info
Post by thumperclone on 10/15/17 at 07:33:06

quote

Answer...
Because facts lean to the Left... ;D

correct
only the right generates fake news!! ::)

Title: Re: New Vegas info
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/15/17 at 08:25:20

Facts lean left..
Dude, I've been pushing facts over on top of you, and you don't think differently about the things that they would show you, if you'd look.

Were we lied to in order to get us to agree with attacking Nam?
Yes or no.
What about Iraq?
Yes or no.
It's that simple.

The whole world knows what Bullshit that was, do you?

And you still don't have a clue about why Iran took the hostages...
But they are so evil.

Ohhh, and let's not forget that since I disagree with you I'm a right wing, warmongering, Nazi.

Title: Re: New Vegas info
Post by Serowbot on 10/15/17 at 08:54:31

You assume a lot about me, JOg...

Title: Re: New Vegas info
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/15/17 at 09:24:58

Answer the questions and solve that.

Title: Re: New Vegas info
Post by Serowbot on 10/15/17 at 10:48:54

3B242225383F0E3E0E36242863510 wrote:

Answer the questions and solve that.

Answer questions about decades old wars?...

How about something relevant?... a mass shooting on US soil...
You never answered...

4751465B43565B40340 wrote:

Do you still think Sandy Hook was fake?...

Title: Re: New Vegas info
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/15/17 at 11:03:44

That's Relevant for You because it's not proven.
The questions you won't answer are documented .
You're trying to drag me down a rabbit hole. People have opinions.
I'm trying to get you to admit to what are documented lies, told to America, through EVERY news source.
And you don't want to admit it.
So why would I begin to try to get you to see something that is not proven?
I know what you do.
Now, the questions Are relevant, because the answers to them are known.
Yes, and Yes.
If you don't agree with that, then you choose the facts.
That would make
Debate
With you an exercise in futility.
I don't have a reason to believe that isn't the case.
Are you able to agree that we were lied to?

Title: Re: New Vegas info
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/15/17 at 12:57:55

Uh huhh...

Title: Re: New Vegas info:
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/15/17 at 16:53:25

Muppet goes to ground.
Again

Can't divert.
Obfuscation is cut OFF.
Either hush up or face a challenge that will crush the beliefs.