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09/23/17 at 09:29:47
 
I think with China, Iran, Healthcare, etc, you would be focused on things that have the ability to disrupt our lives in a negative manner.

I don't see this issue on par with those.

WTF?

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/22/trump-nfl-protests-football-243046
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Reply #1 - 09/23/17 at 10:49:39
 
"Trump comments show 'lack of respect' for players"

Par for the course... WHo hasn't he shown lack of respect for?...
Putin maybe,... that's it... Undecided
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Reply #2 - 09/23/17 at 14:01:32
 
Serowbot wrote on 09/23/17 at 10:49:39:
"Trump comments show 'lack of respect' for players"




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Reply #3 - 09/23/17 at 15:56:13
 
Well, let’s look what is happening;

 NFL  Revenue is Down.

 NFL, has tried, Monday Night, then Thurs Night, then Sunday Night, then Sat night, then…, then …,  then …
 Revenue still down.

Two Owners, (or is it now three), have said:
 “Don’t care if you want to be in a, ‘Rainbow’, parade,
and express your Political Opinions, on your time off,
 When you are getting  PAID, you Play Football,
 and, you do Not expresses any political opinions.
  Or, Your  Fired”


The person that started it all,
STILL  has no, ‘Football’ Job.
(Hope he put some of his  Millions away,
 and Not bought 20,  Lamborghinis)


Then, ‘Google’, FIRES, someone,
Who the, ’Snowflakes’,  ALL,  Applauded the decision.
When he, “Violated their Code of Conduct”,
Which I am sure he agreed to when he got the Job.

So, do, the  MAJORITY, of  Tax  Paying,  CITIZENS.
Who watch NFL, Want to see a, ‘Game’,
or do they want to see  a,  Political Statement/Rally  ?

Looking at all those things,
      a decision is made.

One is:
Do/say, ANYTHING, you are told, to do,
to  Bring DOWN  this  Nation.

The other is:
  Stand UP, for this Country,
and  Respect/Honorer, those that,
  GAVE their  LIVES,  FOR,  YOU"




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Reply #4 - 09/23/17 at 16:15:28
 
MnSpring wrote on 09/23/17 at 15:56:13:
So, do, the  MAJORITY, of  Tax  Paying,  CITIZENS.
Who watch NFL, Want to see a, ‘Game’,
or do they want to see  a,  Political Statement/Rally  ?



Then why have a National Anthem played at all?...



Soccer will kill the NFL...  you watch as an adult, what you played as a child...
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Reply #5 - 09/23/17 at 16:47:48
 
Serowbot wrote on 09/23/17 at 16:15:28:
 Then why have a National Anthem played at all?... Soccer will kill the NFL...  you watch as an adult, what you played as a child...
Then why have a National Anthem played at all?…


Yea, that is a Point.
    Tradition?
I know every, ‘competition’, event, with Guns, it is done.
at only 2, dog, ‘ competitions’, has it been done.
Some meetings is, some not.
 ALL,  the  Government, (Town,Township, County) meetings it has.
  A thought to, possibly, visit.

Soccer will kill the NFL…  you watch as an adult, what you played as a child...

It will have to be after, ALL,  the Baby Boomers (and some after), DIE.
Before the,  ’Soccer Moms  Children’, Prevail.

ME,  Soccer, is   TOTALLY,   NOTHING !
 (Kinda like, Golf)

Wait,  ‘Soccer’,  in the, “Civilized Nations’,
of which you have often spoke.
How many, ‘Riots’, are connected with that sport?
  (In the, other, 'Civilized Nations' ?)
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Ben Franklin once said: "If you give up a freedom, for the sake of security, you will have neither".
Which is More TRUE, today, than yesterday.('06, S-40, Stock) well, mostly .
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Reply #6 - 09/23/17 at 17:38:10
 
As much as I don't like people burning our flag, etc....
We can not succumb to censoring free speech, or its expression.
This is why I think the PC doctrine has created much of the ills that currently divide this nation.
We were not allowed to speak freely.
Resulting in misunderstandings and ignorance.

Let the NFL suffer, if it's the will of the people, actions have consequences, just like elections......

This has nothing to do with disrespecting those who fought and paid their life, for our freedoms.
To me it's like putting "In God We Trust" in our currency, as if that makes it true......  Roll Eyes

If as a company owner, politician, etc, I should be able to tell a racist or sexual joke.
I should not be charged with a crime, censored, or punished....
However, it it's perfectly OK for folk to reject me by withholding their business from me, or their vote....
That is how life works.
Trying to make it "fair" will never be attained, so we should stop trying....
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Reply #7 - 09/24/17 at 05:55:55
 
I've heard for the better part of three decades that soccer is gonna kill football in the USA and I think it might finally be making a dent because of a combination of the immigration without assimilation factor, head injuries scaring away female dominated households and the disconnect between the players and a certain percentage of traditional fans.

Trump once again is right in that he voices this particular opinion shared by maybe 20% of the country. You might not agree with them and certain people on here will default to their only playing card and call them racist,  but that doesn't change the fact a number of people are put off by young men who are paid a King's ransom for playing a game going out of their way to essentially say "F U" to those fans. I wouldn't have a problem so much if I heard a valid defense for their actions but I've heard Kappernick speak and he couldn't find his a$$ with two hands. The latest is a baseball player saying he's speaking for "those with whose voices aren't being heard."

Excuse me, but all I hear are those voices! 24/7, nonstop, I hear how I'm supposed to be inclusive. Meaning what exactly, I don't know and I've not heard anyone explain to me what it is I'm so wrong about.

Anyway, back to football, we have no team here in St Louis and no division one college team either so I've lost interest in football. If we did have a team and I was still a fan, I wouldn't particularly get all out of joint if some members of my team wouldn't stand because young people are generally too ignorant to see the whole picture, they're not old enough and not exactly in touch with reality anyway.
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Reply #8 - 09/24/17 at 08:21:27
 
Serowbot wrote on 09/23/17 at 16:15:28:
MnSpring wrote on 09/23/17 at 15:56:13:
So, do, the  MAJORITY, of  Tax  Paying,  CITIZENS.
Who watch NFL, Want to see a, ‘Game’,
or do they want to see  a,  Political Statement/Rally  ?



Then why have a National Anthem played at all?...



Soccer will kill the NFL...  you watch as an adult, what you played as a child...



Then why have a National Anthem played at all?...

A point I've made a few times, I guess you missed it.

Seems like everyone is expected to
A: Listen to the music
B: Respond in the Proscribed Manner
C: Or ELSE

Kinda flies in the face of all that
Respect the people who fought for your freedoms thing, don't it?
America, a study in conflict.

And NOBODY is willing to explain exactly How these military adventurism exercises have increased or protected ANY individual freedoms.
Looks like they are going the other way to me.

Now, everyone tip toe around this post, too. Don't disappoint me. Pretend you don't see this.
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Reply #9 - 09/24/17 at 08:45:44
 
Jog....

I don't think you can file all military actions under a one size fits all.

Do you believe evil exist in this world?
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Reply #10 - 09/24/17 at 08:46:11
 
Trump treads a fine line... many think he crosses it...

Quote:
Patriotism is when love of your own people comes first; nationalism, when hate for people other than your own comes first.  - Charles de Gaulle
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Reply #11 - 09/24/17 at 09:05:25
 
raydawg wrote on 09/24/17 at 08:45:44:
Jog....

I don't think you can file all military actions under a one size fits all.

Do you believe evil exist in this world?  



Which ones do you agree with and why?
Sure, evil exists. Killing Gadhaffi WAS evil. Do you even know HOW he was killed? Ohhh, so proud we should be.
You do know he TOLD the U.N. security council that if
They take him out, Europe would be overrun with refugees
Right?
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Reply #12 - 09/24/17 at 09:08:24
 
Serowbot wrote on 09/24/17 at 08:46:11:
Trump treads a fine line... many think he crosses it...

Quote:
Patriotism is when love of your own people comes first; nationalism, when hate for people other than your own comes first.  - Charles de Gaulle


Sorta like Berkeley......  Roll Eyes

You gotta understand, Trump is reacting to what it is you hate about Trump Bot.....

HIS OWN TIGHTLY HELD BELIEFS.

He does not engage, but ridicules and chides those who challenge him....

Just like Hollywood, huh?

I can go on with examples, but I know you don't care, so.....

Bottom line, Trump IS the president, he should act accordingly.
He doesn't.
The man really needs to understand he has to set the tempo, and pulse, of governing a NATION, not his stupid TV show.

In other words.... HE NEEDS TO GET OUT OF THE SANDBOX.
 
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Reply #13 - 09/24/17 at 09:22:26
 
raydawg wrote on 09/24/17 at 09:08:24:
I can go on with examples, but I know you don't care, so.....



HUh?... Huh

Maybe you should, because I have no idea what you're saying...
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Reply #14 - 09/24/17 at 09:24:29
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 09/24/17 at 09:05:25:
raydawg wrote on 09/24/17 at 08:45:44:
Jog....

I don't think you can file all military actions under a one size fits all.

Do you believe evil exist in this world?  



Which ones do you agree with and why?
Sure, evil exists. Killing Gadhaffi WAS evil. Do you even know HOW he was killed? Ohhh, so proud we should be.
You do know he TOLD the U.N. security council that if
They take him out, Europe would be overrun with refugees
Right?


I saw what you shared about it.

I have read where the USA handling of Europe after WW1 led to Hitler, etc, however, that does not explain the motivation for Imperial Japan.

It is much easier to Monday morning quarterback.

Much like the any "movement"......
The people behind it often use it to enrich themselves.

Take Healthcare, why is a dollar of care not given from the patient, to the doctor?
Why is a system set up that needs 20 dollars to pay a doctor his buck?

Look at the Global Warming movement.
It is almost a GIANT mafia.

Race, etc..... same deal, people capitalizing off of a movement without repair.

So is our "war machine".

Propaganda is a powerful machine when it is woven into our daily fabric.

P.T. Barnum seems to have understood this in his time.
Some of his observations/quotes:

https://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/201036.P_T_Barnum    
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