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Reply #30 - 08/03/17 at 13:23:19

I can't find anything with how much the poem raised.

Guessing if 120000 people donated $100,000 many under a $1, it could not have been very high.

Again, further evidence that the poem had little or nothing to do with the statue or pedestal from a big picture point of view. It was co-opted at a later date.

And I don't think most Americans object to that happening.

I think many object to that co-opted message; that we turn a blind eye to the realities that our nation's character is being changed from within due to the current policy of immigration without assimilation.

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Reply #31 - 08/03/17 at 13:45:39

WebsterMark wrote on 08/03/17 at 13:09:14:

nice try, but that's not what I meant and you know it. The statue is on an island right next to it. I know that, (I don't think you did) you know that, everyone knows that. In fact, what I just did proves the effectiveness of the Statue being co-opted for the immigration cause.

You're just trying to divert from the fact liberals have confiscated the original meaning of the statue.

Not at all. Yes, it's a beacon of freedom and liberty, but it's more than that. There's a reason Lazarus wrote the poem - to show that the United States is where that the lowest among us can find refuge.

Now, watch what happens in the news. Small details will be left out of this story or flat out lied about in order to make Miller and the Republicans seem wrong.

Well, he IS wrong.

Funny though - if you really research the fundraising, you'll see that it was done by Pulitzer. He opened it up to the entire city. So in effect, the majority of the money for the statue's home came from.... wait for it.... IMMIGRANTS!

How about that? Ain't America great?!?

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Reply #32 - 08/03/17 at 14:13:52

Was it great.....?
You could have slaves.
Guns.
Hunt till extinction.
Take land away from natives.
Challenge pukes to a duel to solve problems.
Yeah, let's go back to that time again.

What's that you say...
We evolved to a nation of laws for a common good, oh.

Why?

Because some things, then, don't lend themselves to the same meaning, or intentions, as they were, in a different time and era,
You know, like marriage, etc.

The poem is nothing more than a semblance, when things were less complicated, you know, like no PC dogma encroaching free speech.

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Reply #33 - 08/03/17 at 14:16:00

As usual, you're missing the point.

Yes, I'm sure that's why she wrote the poem. No one disputes that. But this would be like taking the Black Lives Matter symbol (if there is one) and putting it on Rev. Martin Luther King's statue. The two ideologies do not have much in common.

And he is not wrong. Not sure how you can say that. (actually, I'm very sure why you can say that...)

He opened it up to the entire city. So in effect, the majority of the money for the statue's home came from.... wait for it.... IMMIGRANTS!

That's a pretty big leap of logic. Are you sure you want to hang your hat on that?

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Reply #34 - 08/03/17 at 14:18:54

The paper kept a running tally of contributions, and between March-August 1885 it chronicled every donation to the Statue of Liberty fund.

On 22 March, Philip Bender, from Jersey City, wrote that his family was donating $2.65, including his children: "Philip and Eliza Bender, 50 cents each; (children) - Anna, 25 cents; Frannie, 25 cents; Leonard, 10 cents; Frank, 15 cents; Alice, 10 cents; Ralph, 10 cents; Carri, 10 cents; Miss Nicey 25 cents."

On 30 May, Jonathan Sooville, the mayor of Buffalo, donated his $230 annual salary, while 43 wealthy New Yorkers each offered $250.

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Reply #35 - 08/03/17 at 14:40:54

WebsterMark wrote on 08/03/17 at 14:16:00:

As usual, you're missing the point.

Yes, I'm sure that's why she wrote the poem. No one disputes that. But this would be like taking the Black Lives Matter symbol (if there is one) and putting it on Rev. Martin Luther King's statue. The two ideologies do not have much in common.

LMAO!!! What??!?? That is the worst analogy I have seen in a long time. First, the BLM movement wasn't even conceived in Dr. King's time (unlike Lazarus, who wrote the poem for the statue). And second - a "symbol"?? What the heck are you talking about?? You are clearly reaching.

And he is not wrong. Not sure how you can say that. (actually, I'm very sure why you can say that...)

Pretty much everyone can see why - since its inception, the Statue of Liberty has been a beacon of the United States. That beacon represents not only freedom and democracy, but also the American Dream. Where a man can come - after being actually kicked out of his own country - and make a success of himself (Frederick Trump).

Yeah, look at the pathetic rats we take in under less than optimum conditions....

He opened it up to the entire city. So in effect, the majority of the money for the statue's home came from.... wait for it.... IMMIGRANTS!

That's a pretty big leap of logic. Are you sure you want to hang your hat on that?

Yes - that's why I wrote it.

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Reply #36 - 08/03/17 at 14:42:34

WebsterMark wrote on 08/03/17 at 14:18:54:

The paper kept a running tally of contributions, and between March-August 1885 it chronicled every donation to the Statue of Liberty fund.

On 22 March, Philip Bender, from Jersey City, wrote that his family was donating $2.65, including his children: "Philip and Eliza Bender, 50 cents each; (children) - Anna, 25 cents; Frannie, 25 cents; Leonard, 10 cents; Frank, 15 cents; Alice, 10 cents; Ralph, 10 cents; Carri, 10 cents; Miss Nicey 25 cents."

On 30 May, Jonathan Sooville, the mayor of Buffalo, donated his $230 annual salary, while 43 wealthy New Yorkers each offered $250.

Well web, I stand by what I wrote:

On August 11, 1885, the World announced that $102,000 had been raised from 120,000 donors, and that 80 percent of the total had been received in sums of less than one dollar.

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Reply #38 - 08/03/17 at 18:17:13

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 08/03/17 at 14:49:38:

So, what do you guys say?
Shall we design immigration policy around an idea that someone thought looked good in a poem or should it maybe be designed around logic?

Considering, ‘WE’, should be Just Like, all other, ‘Civilized’, Nations.
Concerning H.C. (As is VERY, often stated)
(By the B.S. Supporters)

Then perhaps it would be good to be the same,
as all other, ‘Civilized’, Nations.
Concerning, ‘Immigration’.
Where in, a person emigrating,
Becomes a, ‘Citizen’, of the Nation they are emigrating to,
and takes on the ways, of the people living in that Nation.

And if, they, ‘If sneak in’, are immediately Deported !
(Or if, Mexico, just, disappear)

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