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Re: Setting Up the S40 Suspension
Reply #75 - 09/24/20 at 10:02:54

here's my experience with progressive shocks...
verslagen1 wrote on 01/23/17 at 19:21:02:

All 11"

shock p/n spring p/n rate travel
412-4005 03-1310B/C 90/130 2.02
412-4233 03-1313-30 115/155 2.02
440-4022 03-1313-20B/C 115/155 2.22

For my... broad shoulders, 115/155 is just right.

I had the 4005's on the 5th preset and it wasn't enough.
The 440 has threaded preset, I assumed it was on low when I got it, haven't adjusted it ever.

remember, the shocks sit at an angle.
this will increase the force they see by about 1.4

Stock travel is a little over 1.5"
added 1/2" travel is sweet.

If you want more travel and a spring rate that will accommodate those somewhat larger in frame... look for intruder shocks.

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Re: Setting Up the S40 Suspension
Reply #76 - 09/24/20 at 10:22:21

Gary,

Thank you for the very informative posts in the Suzuki Savage Forum.

I love the S40, but sooner than later realized that my back has been sore each time after riding the bike. I found myself standing on the foot bars each time I go over a bump. Now, a bit miserable about this. Then I saw your post.

I weigh about 175 lbs. and the current suspension is not working out. If I want to replace the shocks, I thought based on your post that the most suitable would be the Progressive 412-4233C shown in the attached image from Amazon below. However, Amazon says that this will not fit my bike. I have a 2014 Suzuki S40.

Next here are a few questions:

- I want to ride with my spouse or son occasionally. Combined, our weight is above 300lbs. Will the shocks still work or do I need something more heavy duty? Perhaps I need a different bike.

- For the forks' spring swap, do you think the 11-1153 springs will work? On Amazon I found the one in the second attached image. Will that work out? Amazon as above, claims it will not.

I usually work on cars, like changing brakes, alternators, catalytic convert, starters etc. DO I need some specialized tools for this and how hard it is to replace these?

Last question. If I build the suspension to support the weight of myself and my wife, are there any issues in riding and safety with me riding alone most of the time with heavy duty shocks and springs?

I appreciate your help in answering these questions and for your time. If anyone had a similar story, I'd like to hear your opinion too. Roll Eyes

Regards,

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LANCER Serious Thumper Alliance Member Offline Savage Beast Performance Parts Posts: 10606 Oklahoma Gender:	Re: Setting Up the S40 Suspension Reply #78 - 09/24/20 at 11:52:03 I may have missed it in my scan but when using Progressive shocks you will need to get a set of 14mm inserts for the Savage. They are about $12/set the last time I bought some...its been a few years. Progressive uses inserts of various sizes so the shocks will fit many applications.
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Re: Setting Up the S40 Suspension
Reply #79 - 09/24/20 at 12:02:53

LANCER wrote on 09/24/20 at 11:52:03:

I may have missed it in my scan but when using Progressive shocks you will need to get a set of 14mm inserts for the Savage. They are about $12/set the last time I bought some...its been a few years.
Progressive uses inserts of various sizes so the shocks will fit many applications.

Thanks Lancer! Hey, I've had my eyes on the 96mm dr piston and the stage 3 cam for a while now. I'm hoping that the cam will still be available when I am ready to pull the plug but if it does happen to sell, would you be able to get one made if I sent you my cam? Thanks

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Re: Setting Up the S40 Suspension
Reply #80 - 09/24/20 at 17:41:48

Progressive Shocks in the 412 and 430 series will fit. You need to call Progressive for the fitment. I believe they are the same fitment as the S50 shocks with a bushing change to 14mm.

Regarding riding solo and two-up, if you often ride solo with occasional two-up riding, get shocks with spring rates suitable for your weight. When riding two-up you will need to add additional preload. If you often ride two-up, get a pair of shocks for the combined weight of you and your passenger, however this configuration will be punishing when riding alone.

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Re: Setting Up the S40 Suspension
Reply #81 - 09/25/20 at 08:55:54

backroadbozo wrote on 09/24/20 at 12:02:53:

LANCER wrote on 09/24/20 at 11:52:03:

I may have missed it in my scan but when using Progressive shocks you will need to get a set of 14mm inserts for the Savage. They are about $12/set the last time I bought some...its been a few years.
Progressive uses inserts of various sizes so the shocks will fit many applications.

Thanks Lancer! Hey, I've had my eyes on the 96mm dr piston and the stage 3 cam for a while now. I'm hoping that the cam will still be available when I am ready to pull the plug but if it does happen to sell, would you be able to get one made if I sent you my cam? Thanks

Stage 3’s will be available as long as folks help by exchanging their cam cores during a purchase. They can be made out of a LS650 cam blank but the price jumps $100 for that, so it would be a flat $399 with no core exchange.
Sooooo EXCHANGE YOUR CAM CORES fellas.

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Re: Setting Up the S40 Suspension
Reply #82 - 09/25/20 at 09:45:38

Gary_in_NJ wrote on 09/24/20 at 17:41:48:

Progressive Shocks in the 412 and 430 series will fit. You need to call Progressive for the fitment. I believe they are the same fitment as the S50 shocks with a bushing change to 14mm.

Regarding riding solo and two-up, if you often ride solo with occasional two-up riding, get shocks with spring rates suitable for your weight. When riding two-up you will need to add additional preload. If you often ride two-up, get a pair of shocks for the combined weight of you and your passenger, however this configuration will be punishing when riding alone.

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Re: Setting Up the S40 Suspension
Reply #83 - 09/25/20 at 10:06:32

I think I will go with the 412-4200, 90/130 Spring Rates. I would like more play, assuming it will add more height to the bike, which I don't mind.

Now, has anyone actually installed the Progressive Shocks on a 2014 S40? I called Progressive and they don't have the bike listed. I know S50 is supported, but just want to make sure before ordering.

Last, what if I keep the current OEM forks and just change the shocks? Any issues with that?

Thank you all.

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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28771 L.A. California Gender:	Re: Setting Up the S40 Suspension Reply #84 - 09/25/20 at 15:08:42 as far as shocks go, all S40/LS650's are alike. once you go to 412's, don't go back or you'll think the forks are crappy.
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S Rider YaBB Newbies Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 15 Gender:	Re: Setting Up the S40 Suspension Reply #85 - 09/25/20 at 16:38:24 Can someone please post the 14mm bushings needed for the 412 progressive shocks. I can't find it on Amazon. You can PM email me if not allowed to post a link. Thanks
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Gary_in_NJ Serious Thumper Offline LS650 Cafe Racer Posts: 2628 Amongst the Twisty Roads	Re: Setting Up the S40 Suspension Reply #86 - 09/25/20 at 17:49:31 I've had luck getting the correct bushings from the shock supplier. If Progressive can't provide them, you'll need to know why. Is it because the shocks are already drilled to 14mm and they typically provide a 12mm bushing?
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S Rider YaBB Newbies Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 15 Gender:	Re: Setting Up the S40 Suspension Reply #87 - 09/25/20 at 18:27:10 Not sure! I just want to know what others have done. It's not helpful when many have put these shocks in their Savage and used 14mm inserts but no one is willing to provide where they got it from. Progressive does not provide much help. They just say that there is no shocks for an S40 2014. Any help is appreciated!
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Dave YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 17825 Camp Springs, Kentucky Gender:	Re: Setting Up the S40 Suspension Reply #88 - 09/26/20 at 03:02:55 When I needed 14mm bushings - I got them from Ebay. https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2380057.m570.l1313&_nkw=14...
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Re: Setting Up the S40 Suspension
Reply #89 - 09/26/20 at 04:55:02

S Rider wrote on 09/25/20 at 18:27:10:

Not sure! I just want to know what others have done. It's not helpful when many have put these shocks in their Savage and used 14mm inserts but no one is willing to provide where they got it from. Progressive does not provide much help. They just say that there is no shocks for an S40 2014.
Any help is appreciated!

I'm running into the same issue. When I'm ready to order I'm just going to call progressive. I'm sure if you called them and explained what you need they would get you set up. For example; I need 11" 412 series shocks with 90/130 springs and 14mm bushings. Or you could figure out which bikes use 14mm bushings that progressive has listed on their site and just order your shocks under that bike. Calling would probably be easier though..

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