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Serowbot YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline OK.... so what's the speed of dark? Posts: 28848 Tucson Az Gender:	Re: Constitutional Carry Reply #60 - 07/09/16 at 09:16:11 If Mike Tyson ever gave me any cr@p,.. boy, I'd show him a thing or two... I'd punch his lights out... Sounds stupid, don't it?...
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Constitutional Carry Reply #61 - 07/09/16 at 09:18:49 Maybe philosophical thinking just isn't your strong point.
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Serowbot YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline OK.... so what's the speed of dark? Posts: 28848 Tucson Az Gender:	Re: Constitutional Carry Reply #62 - 07/09/16 at 09:25:02 Maybe common sense ain't yours...
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Constitutional Carry Reply #63 - 07/09/16 at 09:32:17 You, as everyone else does, Believe that you're imminently sensible, but How is it Possible to be sensible about anything when your basic understanding of the topic is so far from correct?
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Reply #64 - 07/09/16 at 11:03:03

To be left alone to conduct my life and business as I see fit without worrying about g-men knocking down my doors. That includes all the powers of the second amendment. I don't want to be a slave.

Here's an interesting bit. Ever notice that we talk so much about guns specifically? What about other weapons like huge knives, steel knuckles, black jacks, and nunchucks? Ever notice that a lot alternative weapons are restricted or banned? But we make a big thing about carrying guns. Why? It's probably partly because everyone assumes the Second Amendment only refers to firearms. What do you think would happen in this day if we didn't have the Second Amendment?

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Reply #67 - 07/09/16 at 13:15:46

The colonists were pretty much slapping Tyson. The Empire? A rag tag band is gonna Defeat the British? Who would ever Try?
And, I know you Believe that the People would be so easily taken, but if that's true, why can't we defeat rag tag bands in far away places? How many of our people in uniform would go home to help their families? How many would Not agree with the orders? Just BELIEVING that Americans are defeated and envisioning How it would be doesn't mean that you have exhausted all the potential outcomes. You're Biased and believe that the People are actually beholden to and SERVANTS of the almighty government. But, you're wrong. We are the masters and they the servants, the People are what Created the government, and they have been misbehaving.
The Ballot Box needs to be respected.

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Make violent revolution inevitable.

In an alleged democratic society, opinions and attitudes of the masses are controlled by historical myths and propaganda as much as possible. They do what they do for our own good.
And, because so many are so easily duped, people like me are swept away by the tide of lemmings running to prove that They understand how good it is.. And a bunch of people are waking up. We need more. The discussion about the Second Amendment will be front and center when Hillary is in. We Seriously need to avoid that.

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Re: Constitutional Carry
Reply #68 - 07/09/16 at 13:29:32

Wasn't the Civil War historically considered to be one of the first big wins in the federal power grab? Or am I a little off here?

Don't believe that garbage they teach you in elementary school. The Civil War wasn't just about slavery. There was more to it than that. I think Abe Lincoln once even offered to let them keep their slaves if they would stop fighting. Obviously, that didn't work. It's kinda interesting that, in a way, the Southerners were fighting for their own freedom, but then they wanted to keep other people as slaves. Roll Eyes

If I correctly recall, the North was powerful and populous, relying on an industrial economy. Because of their high population, they were very powerful in Congress and got whatever they wanted while the Southern farmers got the shaft. The interests of two different cultures within one nation collided, and the result was secession and war.

What will happen when the interests of the socialistic, big city, big-government left collide with the back country, libertarian, small-government right? Hmmm... This reminds me of what happened 240 years ago. Those big government, big city yankees whipped the freedom-fighting back-country rebels. Seems like remnants of the cultures surrounding the Civil War are still with us today. Does an urban lifestyle somehow encourage support for big government, and does the seclusion of a rural lifestyle somehow encourage rebellion? Some interesting things to think about. Where do you see the most leftist policies? Generally around big cities like New York. Where do you see the opposite? In remote places like Alaska. Texas would be another example, but I reckon they have their own big cities. I guess they're just in a league of their own.

With increasing population, there seems to be a loss of freedom.

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Re: Constitutional Carry
Reply #69 - 07/09/16 at 14:17:59

LostArtist wrote on 07/06/16 at 20:34:24:

pg wrote on 07/06/16 at 19:35:58:

LostArtist wrote on 07/06/16 at 18:33:53:

also, you're making an argument for that nitpicky first part of the second amendment "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State... " did you join your State's National Guard?

Why do you think the 2A is the second amendment in the Bill of Rights?

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A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

it limits federal powers over state run militias and how states want to regulate arms.

The Constitution is a NEGATIVE power document, it restricts the powers of the federal government over the states. Up until 2008 it was understand as a states right issue, then the SCOTUS ruled that it was an individuals right.

I'm not all up on that, but that's how it was ruled, so that's what it is for now, you know, until it's interpreted to amended again.

it is indeed not about hunting or self defense.

Actually, that was a pretty good response LA. The only thing I would add is the 2A is before the 3A for the following reasons. The 3A is about quartering troops and I suspect they did not ask if they could camp out for the night. I'm speculating, although, I bet they just took the finest land, with the cattle, food supplies, and anything that was of any value. That's why they squeezed the 2A where they did. Pretty smart I reck'on.

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