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Question: What is your religion?...

Christian... (100% literal)...
Christian... (Mostly metaphorical)...
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Reply #15 - 02/07/16 at 18:57:25
 
The First Amendment (Amendment I) to the United States Constitution prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion, abridging the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble or prohibiting ...

Note this phrase

impeding the free exercise of religion,


Does it even IMPLY that expression and free exercise of religion be relegated to the churches?
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Reply #16 - 02/07/16 at 20:59:07
 
The problem is,..  you see the "freedoms" only as they apply to you...

If someone else's interpretation of their religion says... kill people that are Christian...
... or even just spit on them...
Are you fine with being spit upon?...
It's their 1st amendment right to express their beliefs?..., and your right to not be impacted?...

We all have our rights... yours end, when they impact me....
Mine end, when they impact you...
Where will you draw the line, between their right to practice, and your right not be impacted?...
This does require some compromise...
It is necessary to live together in peace...

You don't want to live under Sharia Law...
I don't either...
I don't want to live under Christian Law either...
This is why we separate religion from politics...
No one's religion can dictate to everyone... it can only dictate it's own membership...
Muslims can live by their beliefs... Christians by theirs...
I will by mine,.. you by yours...
Only the laws of the land,... separate from religion,... apply to all of us...
Separation of church and state...



I hear church bells every hour, on the hour at my home...  Sundays, Holidays, baptisms, and weddings, they play religious tunes...
I don't mind... I like them...
What if that were Muslim prayer, blasted over a PA system?...
I might find that pleasant also...
... I think many people wouldn't...
Where is that line?...  When does worship cross that line?... Huh
When does someone else's religion, interfere with your right not believe what you want?...
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Reply #17 - 02/08/16 at 06:09:41
 
Agnostic.
No after life.
No divine influence, just a whole 'lotta luck.


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Reply #18 - 02/08/16 at 07:13:18
 
Paraquat wrote on 02/08/16 at 06:09:41:
...just a whole 'lotta luck.


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...both good, and bad...
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Reply #19 - 02/08/16 at 11:08:23
 
I live away from town. I don't like noise. I'm not much for music, either. Sometimes I will listen to a church service on the radio, but I'm Quick to grab the volume knob when they start singing.
If someone starts preaching to me, even if I agree, but am not in the mood to listen, I'll tell them I am not interested.
Touching me, spitting on me? I may engage in a self defense strategy that they will understand.

The Constitution is well correlated to Biblical principles.
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Reply #20 - 02/08/16 at 22:38:55
 
On that lonely island, staring at the stars on a moonlit night, and seeing the vast cosmos that is out there, I don' mean just a few stars, I mean so many that you tear up just looking at them.
And then realizing the distances and vastness of billions of stars and trillions of worlds, and that you are a being on a planet in one simple solar system.
It's not even comparable to one grain of sand in all the sand on this one planet.... there are so many worlds out there.
And you would deem yourself worthy of naming something so unfathomable?
And that some single omnipotent being could have just clicked a switch and said..."let there be light"... and it was all "just so"?
Me... after I was taken from a single mother... at six years of age, and raised in THE last true orphanage in Illinois. I was taught the bible at the orphanage twice a week, and twice a week we went to church (The Calvary Baptist Church), I was simply put in a "brain washing" childrens home.
And me being an intelligent type, seeing all the hypocrisy of the members and their children, I realized early to glean from the "book" what I deemed would be the "right" thing for me.
I see the ridiculousness of religion in those that teach it, moral values are taught, and then broken, with the promise that if you recant your wrongs you can be forgiven, only to do wrongs again.... rinse and repeat.
Someone else will take the blame for your wrong doings..... if only you believe with all your heart.... again... you can redo you wrongs... rinse and repeat.
The realization of the true vastness of the cosmos did not really hit me, until one night I took my wife (then my girlfriend) out camping on my old 5 acres of property, 10 miles from town...  I decided to do a romantic thing.
About dusk, I told her I wanted to show her something, but we would have to go to bed early, even though it was only about 6pm.
We hit the tent....did some bogeying  Roll Eyes and fell asleep.
About 2 am I woke her up, we got dressed (summer eve so it was about 70ish), and I asked her if she trusted me... she said yes....I then blindfolded her, and led her about 1/4 of a mile up onto a hilltop. (I was watching the ground and ahead to make sure she did not fall)
I asked her to lay down on her back (I was laying on my side facing her), and to close her eyes tight, I then removed the blindfold, closed my eyes and laid back next to her.
I then told her to open her eyes, and I did the same.... It was the clearest night I have ever seen..... no city lights, just stars..... billions of stars.... and the milky was a big cloud across the sky.
Her sharp intake of breath matched mine..... it was then that I realized this world is just a neuron, in an atom, of a cell, in a body so vast it cannot be fathomed....
Yeah science says it will one day reach the edge,..... but we are just a miniscule speck in something so large, that we cannot have the audacity to think we are the only ones, and that in our limited existence can claim to know that there is only ONE omnipotent being.....
So I guess I can say.... yeah....
I am an atheist.......
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Reply #21 - 02/09/16 at 03:55:43
 
Beautiful story OR.

I am fresh in at almost 4AM, having come from a 15 minute soak in my hot tub outside, under those very stars that haven't changed since your morning shared....

I do this almost every morning prior to starting my day, a real treat when the PacNorwest skies reveal its heavens.

It is humbling and a great way for me to start my day, oh, and it feels good too  Grin

BTW..... You give great example as to why I believe in a strong seperation of religion and state. You appear to have made a belief based on the failings of others.
This mindset of basing a belief on failure is what many do when making the argument against Bernie Sanders. Because socialism has failed in other countries it is a total waste to believe it can work. This rigid mindset does not allow for possibilities that their thinking is wrong, and no honest dialogue need apply.
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Reply #22 - 02/09/16 at 04:53:08
 
Hey, Look! They're " Winning " at 666.
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Reply #23 - 02/09/16 at 05:08:24
 
don't want to live under Christian Law either...
This is why we separate religion from politics.


You don't have a clue how much the Bible was used in setting up the three areas of government.
What IS Christian LAW? I don't know of any other than
Dont hate, dont hurt.

The Constitution says that the state has no right to TELL you what to believe. Nor can they stop you from the free exercise of your beliefs.

Now, you try worshipping God by barbecuing babies on Sunday, there might be some push back.
We Do have laws, and, even you have demonstrated some common sense,
This game of hostility towards anything religious being allowed on public property is a complete and intentional misreading of law. As long as it's NOT by order of the state or any authority , but is the desire OF THE PEOPLE, then it's okay. And that's true for other religions.
Can atheists show up and wag signs? Yep.
If its a Church of Satan having a Halloween meeting, can Christians show up and wag signs? Yep.

Shut up about it, let people alone. That's what horrors await America should they ever elect a libertarian.
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Reply #24 - 02/22/16 at 07:28:57
 
Pagan.
No church.
Anti organised religion.
Use entheogens ritually.
I was christened as a baby, had no 'religious' upbringing, been to church only for a family wedding and several funerals since.
Love the architecture, despise the 'House of God' label.
(However, I've been to the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, the Dome of the Rock, the Western Wall, to name a few).
I consider Steinbeck's 'Preacher Casy' as a philosopher, Mahatma Gandhi as a role model, and Robert Hunter (lyricist) to be a prophet, as much as I would do Jesus or Gautama Buddha.

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Reply #25 - 02/22/16 at 07:58:14
 
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