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Question: Your favorite clutch mod

HD springs  
  0 (0%)
Add plates  
  0 (0%)
Kevlar plates alone  
  1 (25%)
Kevlar plates w/springs and/or steels  
  1 (25%)
OEM or similar replacement  (Boo!)  
  0 (0%)
Wear it out first, then we'll talk  
  2 (50%)
Wear it out, then buy used  
  0 (0%)
Wear it out and then throw the bike away Cheesy  
  0 (0%)




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12/01/15 at 12:09:42
 
I was wondering...

What has been your experiences with Kevlar clutches on the Savage, Barnett or other brands? Clutch feel, drivability, problems, incompatibilities, and longevity?

Not everyone seems to like Kevlar. Does the stock cork clutch have some advantages?
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Re: Kevlar clutch
Reply #1 - 12/01/15 at 13:14:41
 
cheapnewb24 wrote on 12/01/15 at 12:09:42:
Not everyone seems to like Kevlar. Does the stock cork clutch have some advantages?

Why don't they like it?
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Reply #2 - 12/01/15 at 17:01:10
 
Is there a friction advantage or just longevity?
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Re: Kevlar clutch
Reply #3 - 12/01/15 at 17:52:13
 
Has anyone any personal experiences on Kevlar vs cork clutches?
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Re: Kevlar clutch
Reply #4 - 12/01/15 at 18:44:19
 
I thought the clutch on the Savage was great.
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Re: Kevlar clutch
Reply #5 - 12/03/15 at 14:59:25
 
Here is one or two examples where someone had trouble with a Kevlar clutch.

http://www.gixxer.com/forums/236-05-06-gsx-r1000/299471-barnett-kevlar-clutch...
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Reply #6 - 12/03/15 at 15:05:57
 
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Re: Kevlar clutch
Reply #7 - 12/03/15 at 15:17:59
 
Has anyone found them a little too grabby? Given that Kevlar has a waaay higher coefficient of friction than rubber-impregnated cork, this may be a valid concern. What about synthetic oil issues. I also read somewhere that they were accused of making the oil really dirty or some sort of "contamination." Is there anything about the feel, behavior, or performance of either of these two materials that makes you wish you still had cork over Kevlar?

I am going to have the case off my engine at some point soon to check the cam chain and replace a faulty neutral switch. That will give me the opportunity to do something to the clutch if I so choose. The clutch works okay so far. The bike is certainly drivable with the stock clutch, so I don't really have to do anything at this time.

I have been wondering about shimming, putting in extra plates, or going to Kevlar. If the latter, then should I bother with buying new springs, or do the Kevlar plates perform nicely with the old stock springs, or would the springs be fatigued and worn out?

Does anyone here prefer the previous two options? If so, why?
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Re: Kevlar clutch
Reply #8 - 12/03/15 at 15:28:14
 
Here's the poll. I hope you like it.
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Re: Kevlar clutch
Reply #9 - 12/03/15 at 15:33:28
 
I talked with the owner of a local bike shop. He didn't like the idea of shimming or adding plates, said that it just prolonged the problem. (just about his exact words) Preferred the idea of simply replacing the clutch, though I think he liked Kevlar clutches.

The funny thing is that he compared 16k on my big single to (I think) 100k on a car, so he was implying that my clutch should be worn out or something Huh.
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Re: Kevlar clutch
Reply #10 - 12/03/15 at 15:38:42
 
According to Mr. Clutch, Rubber-impregnated cork has a coefficient of friction of 0.03 compared to Kevlar's coefficent of 0.13
http://www.mrclutch.com.au/clutch_plate_materials.html

That's a big difference.

I noticed that this website has a poor opinion of cork clutches. Why do the OEM's use them then? Is it the smoothness, or something else?
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Re: Kevlar clutch
Reply #11 - 12/03/15 at 15:43:16
 
Dude, if the clutch is worn out that early, someone doesn't know how to pull away from a stop. I had twenty thousand on mine, dogged it plenty, and had never been forced to go to a shorter rod. Or, maybe the wrong oil, slippage, I don't know, but the clutch shouldn't be shot so quickly.
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Re: Kevlar clutch
Reply #12 - 12/03/15 at 16:14:51
 
cheapnewb24 wrote on 12/03/15 at 16:13:48:
http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1448088343/15

I got my oil changed with fresh Rotella dino, and it helped the clutch a little, I think.


That's some good stuff, or... at least better than dirty oil Wink
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Re: Kevlar clutch
Reply #13 - 12/03/15 at 16:18:13
 
I don't think my clutch is worn out. Might have lost its edge from when it was new (but then I never rode it when it was new), but it still works acceptably. Maybe that shop guy is exaggerating?
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Re: Kevlar clutch
Reply #14 - 12/03/15 at 16:21:28
 
All these questions and you've only been riding a month or two? Slow down! Learn to ride and how the bike performs. Get proficient at it first. Most guys that ride 50 years or more we'll tell you they're still learning! Once you get good at it then start modifying. Just trying to help. Don't take this the wrong way. A healthy discussion is great but first things first.  Wink
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