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Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc
Reply #360 - 04/02/16 at 13:42:27
 

http://www.e-catworld.com/2016/04/02/saudi-arabia-prepares-for-post-oil-era-w...

Saudi Arabia Prepares for Post-Oil Era with $2 Trillon Public Investment Fund

Posted on April 2, 2016 by Frank Acland

There have been a number of readers here who have commented on the news story about Saudi Arabia launching a $2 trillion investment fund to help the country prepare for a post-oil era. I thought I’d start a new thread on the subject.

Deputy Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman told John Mickelthwait of Bloomberg News in a 5-hour interview that the country was preparing an investment fund that would help to transform the state-owned Aramco oil company into an ‘industrial conglomerate’. Shares in the fund would be publicly traded with an IPO planned as early as next year. The fund will become the largest sovereign wealth investment fund on earth with the capability of buying stakes in companies worldwide. The plan is to diversify into other fields and use the return on investments to fund government operations.

The reason for this transformation of Aramco is based on collapse of oil revenues, upon which Saudi Arabia has relied for so many decades. The country is undergoing a vast belt-tightening process with generous subsidies for gasoline and electricity being cut and wasteful spending being cut out the state budgets.

Mickelthwait says the crown prince has an obsession on moving the Saudi economy away from oil to something new. When asked about the level of desperation in the company regarding the collapse of oil wealth, Mickelthwait said the Saudis want to expand their role in the energy markets by becoming the world’s biggest refiner of oil and become a huge industrial energy company — as well as expanding into other fields such as mining and petrochemicals.

Are the Saudis aware of the possible implications of LENR hitting the marketplace? There’s nothing that has been reported publicly about this, so we can’t say for certain. We do know that Industrial Heat has the license to sell and possibly manufacture E-Cats in Saudi Arabia and the Emirates — so it would not be surprising at all if they had already started laying the groundwork for commercialization of LENR there.


You might wake up to find MASSES of Saudi money behind the very rapid deployment of LENR with Industrial Heat being the connection man.    The Saudis are going to sell every drop of oil that they can absolutely as fast as they can, and invest ALL the profits in the various replacement technologies.   They want to remain rich going out into the future.
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Reply #361 - 04/03/16 at 09:54:52
 

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffmcmahon/2013/02/22/nasa-a-nuclear-reactor-to-...

Forbes is reporting it as serious news .......   and quoting NASA as their information source.

Yep, the silence is slowly lifting and the masses are being prepared for something .......

Spin and outlook on this Forbes article are very upbeat and positive.    Amazingly so.
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Reply #362 - 04/03/16 at 10:30:52
 
the article is dated Feb 22, 2013

“There are estimates using just the performance of some of the devices under study that 1 percent of the nickel mined on the planet each year could produce the world’s energy requirements at the order of 25 percent the cost of coal,” according to Dennis Bushnell, the chief scientist at Langley.

which doesn't even touch the pollution costs.
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Reply #363 - 04/06/16 at 19:31:37
 

Report is out on now on the one year test of the one megawatt plant.  COP is between 6 and 50 according to the impartial expert Observer.

Industrial heat has not paid Rossi the 58 million for the successful test completion according to their agreement.

Rossi is now suing industrial Heat for breach of contract and saying they have no rights to E-Cat and E-Cat X at all due to breach of contract.   They didn't pay him the 58 million, then they got bupkiss for IP according to Rossi's lawsuit.

Industrial Heat is filing their own patents on their own "LENR power process", anyway.

Rossi has dumped IH at this point in time, and will share no future IP with them.  IH will release some combined tech products off of old techs they do hold rights on, if they can make it work that is.    Industrial Heat does employ half of Rossi's old team at this point in time, so big kludgy Industrial Heat LENR plants will be built and installed.

Rossi however can make his both his old and his new stuff work.   Rossi is the only one that geeks the "secret sauce" completely.   Industrial Heat understands old E-Cat pretty well so they can run those sorts of plants pretty well, but Rossi kept some of the E-Cat X process under his hat so to speak, so Industrial Heat has some key information simply not there in their patent applications.   Same is true about Rossi's stuff as the secret sauce remains a secret.

Rossi also invents and patents brand new tech every six months or so.

He who builds and sells the first working LENR commercial products will count, I think, for who owns what ideas.

Rossi and Leonardo own E-Cat and E-Cat X,  but IH has distribution rights in  North/South America and China for Rossi's E-Cat products once some real products are produced and built  by Leonardo Corp.

Edison and Tesla, all over again .....

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Reply #364 - 04/08/16 at 03:11:26
 

More details are leaking out of the Rossi / Industrial Heat mess.   Industrial Heat collected 50 million from Woodford and 110 million from the Chinese for something they now say doesn't work at all.   Something that due diligence from some smart people said at the time was working just fine.

They say this not because Rossi can't do it, but because Brillouin and Industrial Heat can't rip the tech off and do it themselves in secret, and they can't file their own "new patents" on their own "new system" because Brillouin and other IH people can't make it work reliably.

Facts coming out say Rossi told them how to do it, their IH people worked side by side with Rossi and built over 40 reactors together that did work, and we have a finalized report that says 6-50 COP was achieved and now IH is saying it never worked and they owe Rossi no money accordingly.

Somebody is lying out the ass and it currently smells like at least one of these people is Industrial Heat.

Industrial Heat is accused of transferring Rossi's IP over to Brillouin and to others in an attempt to create alternate patentable pathways to LENR.

There is an IP struggle going on and people jest don't fight over stuff to the tune of 10's of millions that doesn't work.  
It sorta seems that it works
Your camps are now:

Industrial Heat/Brillouin (Godes)

BrilliantLight (Mills)

Leonardo (Rossi)

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Reply #365 - 04/08/16 at 17:06:44
 

Industrial Heat wants Rossi to go skitter away into the dark now,  Cherokee has taken back all the IH assets leaving an empty shell company for Leonardo to sue.   There are several late investors who put a lot of money into Industrial Heat that now very much want to see their money back ASAP since IH admits they have NOTHING THAT YOU PROMISED US LONG TERM to get them to give IH that money.   But, since Rossi wasn't it, we now trust our Pantanelli and our Brillouin and our Mills to deliver on our LENR promises to you.

Industrial Heat sprang suddenly into existence, and it can fold up just as quickly if the upcoming court cases don't go its way .......

Brillouin is known to have been "illegally" given the benefits of Rossi's IP & technology but seems to be unable to blend it with their home grown Brillouin tech as Rossi was always a "fixed charge" system and Brillouin was always set up as a gas pulse agitated and slowly replaced tube of mobile powder.   Brillouin is maxing out at 6-10 COP even using whatever they can of Rossi's tech.   Mind you, it is enough to make them viable as a coal plant retrofit system ---- so this outcome maybe does have some benefit to society.

Mills is making more progress on his arc blast system but his COP is still very low.   Mills may contribute a trick or two, but he isn't likely a major player.

Rossi is gone now.   The Industrial Heat boys have what they have and they will develop whatever they can out of it.  

Some info is coming out that IH got paid 110 to 200 million by the Chinese for passing over Rossi's tech to the Chinese.   If this is so, the Chinese will work it and build something out of it.  

The Chinese are good at that --- China will assign 1,000 engineers full time to work out the bugs very quickly AS CHINA NEEDS CLEAN NON-POLLUTING ENERGY VERY VERY BADLY.   As does India, BTW.   Both will steal the missing bits of secret sauce IP from each other, Brillouin or IH and both countries will start crash programs ASAP.   Products will be built, soon.

Rossi will move to Sweden or Britain and ride his new X-Cat over there for a bit.    His next newly developed tech will be more carefully guarded and developed solely by Leonard Corporation for its own use and perhaps given to Hydrofusion and a few of the others to distribute as well.   But, since Rossi's main effect is already known to all the players now, he is just working on refinements.   Lots of folks can do those same sorts of refinements, too, you know.

HOWEVER, the cat is out of the bag now and the cat is very real and people do want a kitty of their very own now.

Lawyers will get rich as patents exist that are being violated as we speak ......
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Reply #366 - 04/08/16 at 17:28:18
 
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Reply #367 - 04/09/16 at 04:48:49
 

We all eagerly await developments from the Chinese, who will figure the rest of it out or steal it using good old basic espionage just like the Russians taught them to do.

Compare and contrast the search for hot fusion vs cold fusion now --- which one has more players drastically interested now.   The USA is paying Billions in hot fusion research and getting ABSOLUTELY nothing out of it.  

The Chinese spend just  ~ $200 million~  and get cold fusion tech handed to them.   Is this even legal?

NASA and DARPA both have an oar in this water -- they know a lot about this stuff and I don't think they appreciate it being sold to the Chinese.   Why aren't they being forthcoming?  I am sure they would want the Chinese to have to steal it just like they did all the rest of our nuclear and space technologies.

And yes, this LENR technology is being intentionally slowed down by the politicos in charge as LENR is EXTREMELY DISRUPTIVE to the USA economy -- if it was turned on tomorrow the oil industry would flip the whole entire USA economy into a tailspin as it choked and died ---- taking  ~30%~ of our jobs down with it.
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Reply #368 - 04/10/16 at 05:13:18
 

http://energycatalyzer3.com/rossi/is-piantelli-close-to-commercializing-techn...



Pantanelli is now also part of the Industrial Heat "we will fund you in exchange for distribution rights and IP rights to your future work" cartel, adding their knowledge base to the pot.   Please note:  this is the same historical knowledge basis that Rossi used originally as Focardi was the grand daddy of all of this nickel based stuff and taught it to both Rossi and to Pantanelli.

Looks like IH has funded lots of LENR alternatives with the seed money to go to the next level.

Rossi is gone now from the IH fold ..... and he may not be missed a whole lot since his tech is now being patented by LOTS of other people under the IH umbrella (who are showing lots of prior art and pre-stages to make it all very believable to a jury).

Rossi is so screwed ..... by IH and all its little fingers.   Panetelli's work looks so very very much the same as Rossi's early work.


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New Pantanelli European Patent Granted

Link is here: http://www.google.com/patents/EP2754156A2?cl=en


Here are the main claims:

1. A method for generating energy by nuclear reactions between hydrogen (31 ) and a transition metal, said method comprising the steps of:
– prearranging (1 10) a primary material (19) that comprises said transition metal;

bringing and keeping said hydrogen (31 ) into/in contact with said primary material (19);
heating (130) said primary material (19) up to an initial temperature (Ti) higher than a predetermined critical temperature;

producing an impulse (140) in said primary material (19), in order to cause a generation of H” ions (35) starting from said hydrogen (31 ), and to cause capture reactions (150, 151 ) of said H” ions (35) by said primary material (19) thus causing a generation of a thermal energy (q);


What does this mean?   IH has done the same thing they did with Rossi -- get him to write a patent that they have a finger in --  which gives them a tool to use against Rossi and any others since Pantanelli has "originated" his patent to be earlier than Rossi's already grantede patent.    Before, Pantanelli could not show excess heat for much, but using transferred Rossi tech now he can show excess heat.
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Reply #369 - 04/16/16 at 04:41:53
 

Rossi has an order from the trial site customer for 3 additional 1 megawatt steam plants, bringing the total for that first user up to 4 of the 1 megawatt steam plants.

It sorta seems that it really works and the first customer is pretty happy with it.   Installations will be in England.

Rossi estimates it will take him 6 months to fill the order as the rapid assembly line is not set up at this time.

Rossi / Leonardo is in motion at this time.

This sounds stupid, but all the fuss means Rossi can ramp up manufacturing at a pace he can handle, while being funded by his first customer's sales.

It also means a whole new set of learning experiences and data and improvements can be collected to be integrated into the "full manufacturing" product when the full assembly line is set up.

The future may not belong solely to Rossi, however, since his starting point knowledge has been disseminated widely by Darden and Industrial Heat.   Once it has been combined into all the other different approaches, it will be difficult to get it back out again -- and eventually somebody is going to do it BETTER than Rossi, eventually.  

Remember, Rossi is an inventor, not a businessman -- he desperately needs a business partner that he can trust.   If Rossi cannot find his Westinghouse, then his now stolen ideas will never move him forward into the sort of future he wants to be part of.

Wink      Rossi has a 1-2 year lead on the rest of the pack, but that gets shrunk by IH sharing his IP with them to a lead of a year or less ......

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I just wish I knew how to let this be the equipment of the little investment in Microsoft or Wal-Mart , that ten years later was 100 fold bigger.
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Reply #371 - 04/16/16 at 09:24:18
 

When these companies go public, then you can go invest in them.   Right now they are all Venture Capital (ie very high risk) and are not traded publicly.
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Reply #372 - 04/21/16 at 03:11:25
 


What is Industrial Heat up to now?


http://www.e-catworld.com/2016/04/21/are-we-in-the-early-stage-of-lenr-patent...

Are We in the Early Stage of LENR ‘Patent Farming’? (Doug Marker)
Posted on April 21, 2016 by Frank Acland

What it seems is happening in LENR land is that Industrial Heat are laying their foundation to dominate the LENR world by locking up all and any LENR based patents they can get control of. They have the war chest (the 89$ million they were supposed to pay to Andrea Rossi).

Also, while there are ‘vested interests’ doing their best to deride LENR (and Andrea Rossi), the buying price for any and all patents remains comparatively low.

The benefit in buying up any and all patents is that when you have enough of them you are in an extraordinarily powerful position to threaten anyone new into the field by claiming they have violated some aspect of one of your massive portfolio of patents.

I fear we are probably in the early phase of such a power grab and IH are the current front runners in the charge.



I think that Industrial Heat, using the now granted European Pantanelli patents is going to try to tie Rossi up in Europe and in Sweden / Norway.  This is a patent battle now, and I think Industrial Heat has got most of them patents under their thumb right now.
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Reply #373 - 04/22/16 at 03:32:29
 

OK, quick synopsis of the Rossi Wars ......

Rossi has left the IH fold very angry that Industrial Heat spread his confidential IP far and wide without his consent nor a penny being put into his pocket (beyond the initial 11 million that is).

Meanwhile, IH has employed the BEST PR outfit in the world and the BEST legal service in the world and APCO is doing the job that they are paid to do, which is to sideswipe Rossi and whomever else needs to be sideswiped to protect Industrial Heat, their customer.

Matts Lewan has run for the hedges at the very first salvo of career wrecking APCO BS that got sent his way.  

The folks at the E-Cat World website are simply tracking and recording every PR blast that is sent their way, since they are independent and neutral they feel that they can simply ride the top of the shite storm and let it roll on unimpeded beneath their keel.

SERIOUS MONEY is being spent to discredit Rossi right now and if I were him I would be moving where I sleep every night to keep the cardiac arrest injection boys away.

The Flip Side Report  =  Rossi is self-delusional, a harmless crank and amusing,  but please don't give him any money ......

Flip side support facts, nobody can get LENR to work at will, and this INCLUDES Rossi .....

PR and counter PR is flying hot and fast right now and Rossi is taking a lot of hits, skillfully aimed .....
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Reply #374 - 05/01/16 at 14:30:49
 

However, there are certain independent companies that have been "in the know" for a long time now, one of them is ABB the robotics company (located in Sweden and Britain) which is the company that set up Rossi's prototype line for his E-CatX experiments (this was done while working for Rossi directly under his Leonardo NDA).

Because they were involved all along, it is suspected that ABB and / or Hydrofusion may be the new potential investor as they already have a knowledge base to work their LENR understanding from.

So the brand new QuarkX is undergoing a formal test series in JUNE and JULY, and since ABB was around for the 1 megawatt test they can include what knowledge they need from that test to judge the performance of the QuarkX.

This time around Rossi designed for pure robotic assembly and reduced complexity of monitoring and programming.   Using new materials Rossi also took a shot at "melt proofing" the QuarkX by making it self-limiting on the top end of things.  

"Melt proofing" reduces the programming complexity to an amazing degree, you know.   So what if it runs away, let it get really really HOT, that superheated steam is the good stuff you know.

These assumptions will be tested by the new investor in a manner consistent with their requirements, which apparently includes data collection for an industrial certification process in their country of origin.

Development style first prototypes will be tested first .... this is understood going in.  

Design Refinements are expected, as well as more subsequent test runs.   Being robotically assembled, the required design changes and any new samples can be created quite quickly.

IH is gnashing their teeth right about now -- they blew it and they know that for certain right about now.
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