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Re: Update on E-Cat, state of oil markets, etc
Reply #330 - 03/12/16 at 21:07:36
 

By July/August the first LENR plant (low temp industrial steam) should be in production.  

Where that is depends on which government wants to get out of the way and do it first.
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Reply #331 - 03/13/16 at 05:48:58
 

Best statement of where Rossi is vis a vi Industrial Heat.  Industrial Heat has all the good contacts and gets all the 110 million sized funding chunks.   Industrial Heat controls all the current tech as invented as of end of the one year test.  None of the distributors can own "rights" to any non-invented technologies of course, so Industrial Heat's one year in the box gets them E-Cat (low temp steam) and early E-Cat X (high temp steam and electricity) because it was developed on Industrial Heat's dime while Rossi worked in the container directly for them.

Remember, Industrial Heat has all the other players under contract and has their own lab and their own mgf plants under development.    Some of the known "container players" decided to stay on at Industrial Heat and did not follow Rossi into revolt.

ASSUMPTIONS

AR is an inventor with a very particular way of working. He is not a marketeer, not a salesman, not an architect. Moreover, his network is limited. Since the discovery of the "Rossi Effect" he is been searching for a partner that could complement his weaknesses. However, he is an old fox that wants to stay in control. His biggest fear is, and this fear outweighs his biggest dream, that he loses control of his inventions.

IH is at first an experienced VC and only then, so secondly, wants to make the world a better place.
They have a big network and are able to tap into a big liquidity pool and already know the companies that could be interested in an E-Cat solution. By default they do not necessarily believe in individual companies, but they invest on a higher level. They believe in an idea, a concept, technology.

THE AR / IH DEAL & TEST

1. IH struck a deal with AR where the outcome of the 1 year test triggered a potential second phase.

2. AR signed a 1 year contract with IH as the "Lead Engineer".

3. IH paid for the test, found the customer, instructed the ERV and coordinated things.

4. IH tried / tries to include as much IP as possible in the deal, but AR remains AR and makes sure he stays independent to a certain extent.

5. After the test ended AR's "Lead Engineer" role ended and he is now inventing for his own entity again.

6. IH is still negotiating with AR about a second, more complete contract. They are in a similar situation as Defkalion, although they have substantially more info, license and IP. They cannot denounce AR at this point in time, but try to manoeuvre themselves in a position where they can apply pressure.

FUTURE HINTS

The longer IH takes to announce things, the less likely it is that they have something. If the "Rossi Effect" is real, AR continuous development leads to competition. Also other developments (MFMP, the Russians, the Chinese, etc.) are a threat.

In the meantime they work with other LENR parties to enhance and add to their IP.


Industrial Heat owns all the current marbles, and any new marbles developed under their dime.   Rossi is trying to break free now and make up some new, more advanced marbles as Leonardo Corp.
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Reply #332 - 03/14/16 at 10:40:31
 
http://www.lookingforheat.com/

So, you want to do you a LENR science fair project ......



http://www.e-catworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/LENR-FIRST-HEAT-WITH-THE...

The kit is for sale now, so you can do two tests at once (you calibrate your heater and document your normal temps seen then start plugging stuff in until you get ignition on one of them).

Known good mixes are for sale, already prepped and ready to go ......

Think of it as the Raspberry Pi beginner's set for excited lattice transformation nerds.



..... don't forget your geiger counter and X-Ray detector film strip (exposure detector).

NOTE:  geiger counter and X-Ray detector comes stock with the kit now (play safely, please)
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Reply #333 - 03/14/16 at 20:14:40
 

Update:

Rossi now works for himself (Leonardo Corp).   He licenses newly developed tech to lots of distributors now, a whole world full of them.



Rossi is all about new stuff, creating new stuff at a tremendous rate.   He may be eccentric, but the boy can sure make up some new stuff fairly rapidly.

Industrial Heat is about slow paced commercialization (long term testing and full safety certification and actual real production).   The sub-distributors all over the world are waiting for something to sell (waiting on Industrial Heat to go into production on something).

You got some pretty good take off now on the general idea, with public internet science and replication of better mixes taking place now and some quite rapid progress on theory, etc is taking place now.

Rossi likes the Brits and the Swedes and would support them with E-Cat Y (2nd gen direct electric generation) it is now called  QUARK as soon as he gets it all defined and properly patented.    Newer stuff might move forward quicker as the first broad general path gets plowed and leveled by Industrial Heat.

Brillouin is also getting involved in some early integrated Rossi/Brillouin stuff working with their main distributor, Industrial Heat.   Brillouin holds a lot of large scale control and maintenance patents that apply to large coal power plant reworks, etc.  You won't hear much about this as Brillouin is as closed mouthed about this stuff as Industrial Heat is.

Rossi's IP can be integrated by various industries as they develop their knowledge basis.  Think REEM for home heating, etc. etc. etc.

Industrial Heat is coming off as "moving too slowly" right now.   This image could change once the first products are actually in production.    No one can fault the Industrial Heat slow and cautious approach to getting the first UL products in production as complete and total success there is imperative to anybody moving forward.

Hydrofusion/Leonardo may eventually be able to move faster than Industrial Heat, on a different mix of produced items later on.

Right now Industrial Heat is waving the baton and the LENR world is marching to their slow steady beat.  

Friction is developing in various corners to "go faster" though.   This is countered by a real fear of disrupting world economies, etc. etc.

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Reply #334 - 03/15/16 at 07:58:37
 

Industrial Heat just bought up George Miley's IP.   Industrial Heat is becoming a clearing house for older LENR developments that have been superseded by Rossi's E-Cat and E-Cat X.

Industrial Heat has also patently bought up all of the old Rossi pre-Cat licenses and distributorships, simply telling the folks the "your cost plus 10%" offer is the only offer they would ever get as what they bought was NOT what Rossi is working on now, but the primitive precursor that was roughly a pot with nickel powder and a hydrogen gas feed.  

Use of lithium or any of the other "catalysts" was not invented then and WAS NOT in the IP that these guys had purchased.   Secret Sauce wasn't invented back then either, BTW, nor was specific excitement frequencies that are currently used.

Industrial Heat owns all IP rights to LENR as it exists right now, including E-Cat X and Quark.

If IH is under the US government's thumb to keep from upsetting the US economy, then Rossi breaking free and going to England and Sweden for developing his newest ideas is a good thing.

I still want my free energy room heater.
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Reply #335 - 03/15/16 at 08:06:17
 

Rossi just announced E-Cat X is going into a customer location for a protracted test.   This will take place in April (next month).

Since E-Cat X is small and Rossi had been working with a 3 up steam calorimetry chamber while in the old trailer, it is easy to make some ASSUMPTIONS that this will be a smaller sort of commercial application.   Say a heating furnace or heating oven, with a DC blower circulation fan to actually use up any generated electrical power by doing something useful.

Who knows ????    We shall see ......    

Remember, E-Cat X is Industrial Heat's shared IP as Rossi was a paid employee when it was developed.

Also remember, E-Cat X runs naturally at 1,400 degrees F and it likely goes through its fuel charge more quickly than low temp steam E-Cat did.    Tests should be shorter duration, in other words.

Commercial heat treat ovens, LARGE heating plants. E-Cat X could tuck into many many many different locations inside a customer's facility.   Running the blower off the generated power means you could have a forced air furnace that supplied its own blower power for constant air circulation.

REEM, is it you buddy ???   We know that 3-4 heating mgfs were already working with Rossi's old design groups back in the container days .....

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Reply #336 - 03/15/16 at 09:13:35
 
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Reply #337 - 03/16/16 at 05:12:43
 

Woodford Management Comment on Industrial Heat Investment

Neil Woodford and others of Woodford Investment Management LLP, the UK investment fund that has invested around $50 million in Industrial Heat LLC, recently held a Q&A with investors and interested persons regarding their investment portfolios. A couple of questions came up regarding their investment in Industrial Heat, and in both cases the questions were answered with the same statement from Paul Farrow, one of the site moderators:

"We are patient capital investors. Industrial Heat is currently working with numerous scientists and is acquiring both the technology and teams required to maximise the potential of new energy technologies.

The company recently said that it is willing to invest time and resources to see if this technology might be an area of useful research in its quest to eliminate pollution. We share this quest for what we believe will be a significant development and exploitation of new energy sources."

https://woodfordfunds.com/qa-neil-woodford



Woodford has over 50 million recently put into the Industrial Heat plant building fund.    Rossi has indicated his preference for dealing with the Swedes and the Brits, so it is interesting to see what Woodford is saying.

Answer is they are toeing the party line and saying very little until they have something both definitive and proven TO say.

Also note that Woodford has been helping to buy up all old extant pre-E-Cat "distributorships" sold by Rossi in years past --until this buy back activity is totally completed I doubt you will hear any real news from either Woodford or Industrial Heat as any news would drive the buyback price up through the roof..

Worth noting, Industrial Heat and Woodford are now in a position to COMBINE THE INTELLECTUAL PROPERTIES from all their various people's groups to make up a combined system that  A) is not in violation of anybody's IP since IH owns it all now and  B) works better because of the combination of knowledge bases used.  

Remember, over half of Rossi's old team now work exclusively for Industrial Heat in IH's research facilities (plural, that -- NC and Florida).   IH owns Brillouin's controls IP as well, which was different and had some very nice fully developed process controls of VERY  LARGE implementations (coal fired plant refurbs / replacements).

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Reply #338 - 03/16/16 at 14:26:54
 




OK, you can read whatever you want into this one -- it's got lots of potential as a news release point with Mats Lewan (who lives in the HydroFusion distributor area where the show is taking place) doing a live interview with Andrea Rossi (who owns and runs the Leonardo distributor area).  

Neither one of these two individuals is "controlled" by Industrial Heat or Woodford for very much at this point in time ......


UPDATE #1 (March 16, 2016)

Mats Lewan posted this on the LENR-Forum here:

“Ok, I can now confirm that Rossi will attend the New Energy World Symposium, not as a speaker but to be interviewed by me on stage. In connection to the symposium, at a separate event, he says he will have some important announcements to make. No date defined. The decision to hold the symposium, however, still depends on the result of the one-year 1MW test being released and positive. Plans are proceeding meanwhile and there are now more than 200 attendees pre-registered. I’m also considering making it a two-day event, June 21-22, with an option to attend one day only”


Interesting point is that both Rossi and Mats both know what is in the executive summary, and a decision NOT to release that data by Industrial Heat would seem to indicate some "silencing" was being exerted by someone upon both Industrial Heat and Woodford.

A cancelling of the symposium by Mats would indicate that the thumb had came down upon him, too.

AND Mats, you need to be very careful -- you are NOT vital to the flow of new LENR stuff like Rossi is vital and you are the most likely one to get shot in your headbone if somebody does indeed need to get shot in the headbone yet again as a warning to shut the LENR crowd up yet again.

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Reply #339 - 03/18/16 at 06:01:34
 

http://www.e-catworld.com/2016/03/17/rossi-small-e-cat-prototype-units-are-10...


New Rossi term to digest.   Quark

New lower limit to think about --- max power same as a light bulb for a single unit.    Min power is 'adjustable".

"Stackable" fine granular total power adjustment, either by physical stacking or by turning units off and on .....

Start thinking about that room heater unit again, Quarks will live inside that envelope space as they are machine "printed" sorts of things and lend themselves to volume manufacturing to support a vast array of uses.


Rossi: Small E-Cat Prototype Units are 100 W Called ‘Quarks’ (Update#2: Quarks Can Work With Other Heat Sources)
Posted on March 17, 2016 by Frank Acland • 124 Comments
Another day, another detail from Dr. Rossi about the E-Cat X.

Update #2 (March 17, 2016)

Here are some interesting responses by Andrea to some new questions about the E-Cat X Quarks

Can you tell us about the Quark

1. Are the prototypes as small as you can practically make with existing materials and the present state of your proprietary and confidential knowledge? AR: yes

2. Or could you make a prototype even smaller? AR: maybe

3. Does this technology hold any potential for transforming heat which is not produced from the e-cat operation but comes from another source into electricity? AR: yes

The answer to the last question is especially interesting to me because it implies that the Quark can be used independent of an E-Cat as a thermoelectric device that could use any form of heat to create electricity.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Here’s another comment posted by Andrea Rossi today on the Journal of Nuclear Physics. Rossi was asked if they would have “mini-modules” that could be combined for small and large purposes, and he responded:

Andrea Rossi
February 29, 2016 at 9:43 AM
Yes, we are making a prototype that we call “quark” because very tiny and fundamental, with a power of 100 W assemblable up to any power.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

Some people have referred to these small modules as ‘Lego blocks’, and having them in 100 W sizes could make them suitable for very many purposes, large and small — especially if they can be used to provide electricity only, as Rossi said was possible yesterday (although he said that would mean ‘lower efficiency’ (whatever that means).

It’s fascinating to hear about these E-Cat X developments. So far, except for the confirmation of the E-Cat X’s existence by Fulvio Fabiani, we only have Rossi’s word for these E-Cat advancements. I look forward to when more information is released that confirms what he is reporting.

UPDATE: I was curious about whether these Quarks could deliver electricity only, so I asked AR about this:

Dear Andrea,Rossi: Small E-Cat Prototype Units are 100 W Called ‘Quarks’ (Update#2: Quarks Can Work With Other Heat Sources)
Posted on March 17, 2016 by Frank Acland • 124 Comments
Another day, another detail from Dr. Rossi about the E-Cat X.

Update #2 (March 17, 2016)

Here are some interesting responses by Andrea to some new questions about the E-Cat X Quarks

Can you tell us about the Quark

1. Are the prototypes as small as you can practically make with existing materials and the present state of your proprietary and confidential knowledge? AR: yes

2. Or could you make a prototype even smaller? AR: maybe

3. Does this technology hold any potential for transforming heat which is not produced from the e-cat operation but comes from another source into electricity? AR: yes

The answer to the last question is especially interesting to me because it implies that the Quark can be used independent of an E-Cat as a thermoelectric device that could use any form of heat to create electricity.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Here’s another comment posted by Andrea Rossi today on the Journal of Nuclear Physics. Rossi was asked if they would have “mini-modules” that could be combined for small and large purposes, and he responded:

Andrea Rossi
February 29, 2016 at 9:43 AM
Yes, we are making a prototype that we call “quark” because very tiny and fundamental, with a power of 100 W assemblable up to any power.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

Some people have referred to these small modules as ‘Lego blocks’, and having them in 100 W sizes could make them suitable for very many purposes, large and small — especially if they can be used to provide electricity only, as Rossi said was possible yesterday (although he said that would mean ‘lower efficiency’ (whatever that means).

It’s fascinating to hear about these E-Cat X developments. So far, except for the confirmation of the E-Cat X’s existence by Fulvio Fabiani, we only have Rossi’s word for these E-Cat advancements. I look forward to when more information is released that confirms what he is reporting.

UPDATE: I was curious about whether these Quarks could deliver electricity only, so I asked AR about this:

Dear Andrea,
Can you make a quark that produces electricity only (no heat), with an efficiency of COP >1?

Andrea Rossi
March 1, 2016 at 8:55 AM
Frank Acland:
Yes.
F9.using his most modern creations
Warm Regards,
A.R.


This last little bit offers the thought of cell phones and laptops that are self powered (replaceable Quark cells).


Another science fiction standby prop perhaps becomes a reality --- the glow globe (self-powered light that can also heat the room as needed)


And my room heater, don't forget about that ......


Realize please that the QUARK isn't controlled by anybody but Rossi as it has just been invented.

Rossi could choose break the silence using his most modern creations, and let Industrial Heat stand mum on the items held inside its portfolio.
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Reply #340 - 03/18/16 at 06:51:15
 

Considerable parallels exist between Nikola Tesla, Westinghouse and Edison's General Electric and the modern Rossi story.

In the saga of electricity, Tesla continued to invent and quickly left Edison's orbit because of intellectual differences.   Tesla would not be bound and subservient to Edison any longer.

Tesla's new tech quickly outstripped his old tech and Edison was left holding a sack of old shite while Westinghouse quickly outstripped GE technologically.   This was of course handled by the courts as GE owned all the rights to the base original technologies and Westinghouse was forced by the courts to co-license the new bits and pieces at the going commercial rate to their old nemesis.    Both companies wound up owning rights to the entire package after a mass of dollars were exchanged back and forth between them.

Tesla continued to invent up until he became senile, then the lab boys at Westinghouse and GE carried the torch forward into the future.   Westinghouse supported Tesla in his old age with food, room, medical etc up until the day he died.   Tesla, although "penny less" lacked for nothing as he had many admirers who would visit him in his rooms.

Both Tesla and Rossi are odd ducks, but Rossi has a better sense of money than Tesla did.

Will Rossi have another table top unit calorimeter unit  bubbling away on a table top at this next conference, or will he just point at the glow globes off at the corners of the stage?

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Reply #341 - 03/18/16 at 08:33:39
 

Rossi, as Leonardo Corp intends to present Quark "very likely in June".

On JONP:

"Koen Vandewalle March 18, 2016 at 5:54 AM
Dear Andrea Rossi,
Is it correct that the so-called “Self Sustaining Mode”, is no longer important or even counterproductive in the E-Cat QuarkX ?
Kind Regards, Koen

Andrea Rossi March 18, 2016 at 7:07 AM
Koen Vandewalle:
I will be able to answer when the E-Cat X will be published, very likely in June.
Warm Regards, A.R.

Andrea Rossi March 18, 2016 at 7:10 AM
Norman:
She is continuing to operate in the new laboratory of Leonardo Corporation and is still very, very promising.
Warm Regards, A.R."
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Reply #342 - 03/18/16 at 08:47:15
 

Thought.  

Industrial Heat needs to name a new top scientist since Rossi has left their fold.  

Brillouin's Robert Godes comes to mind .... not in Rossi's class as an inventor, but plenty good enough to build something that could retrofit a coal plant out of IP that Industrial Heat already owns.

Godes vs Rossi ---- they could motivate each other considerably from afar as neither really cares for the other very much.
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Reply #343 - 03/18/16 at 08:50:15
 

Rossi, however, desperately needs a corporate sponsor to provide all the etc. etc. he has no time nor attention nor wish to create, or purchase, or do in order to make his inventions real.

Actually, Industrial Heat took pretty good care of Rossi.
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Reply #344 - 03/18/16 at 09:23:41
 
Tesla, although "penny less" lacked for nothing as he had many admirers who would visit him in his rooms.


I've been saddened by the story of his life. Yet another
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