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Microsoft sues Samsung - Android "fee"
08/04/14 at 09:55:59
 

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-28640628

Microsoft, having now taken over Nokia COMPLETELY and having chopped off 100% of all Android products and fired all the Android people (just keeping ONLY the Windows products and people) has given Samsung an arguable legal window in which to stop paying the Android "extortion fees" that Samsung has been paying Microsoft.

Samsung has petitioned their South Korean government to stop Microsoft from extorting money from them with no contractual or legal basis to do so as Microsoft has NO ANDROID PRODUCTS at this point in time.

Microsoft has always refused to state exactly what intellectual property of theirs that Android supposedly impinges upon, but has instead simply asked for a fixed fee so that Microsoft doesn't sue you over IP rights.

Looks like MS has got to go figure out what they are actually doing now, since Samsung won't pay the extortion fees any more.

Be smart, Microsoft --- your customer reputation absolutely sucks right now and adding extortion charges (the South Korean case) to your plate is NOT in your best interest right now.

You just actively threw away your interest in Android (factually) so you can't be extorting payments for your thrown away "intellectual property" any more -- assuming you actually had something for real originally, which has always been sorta debatable in the eyes of Android folks.

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Re: Microsoft sues Samsung - Android
Reply #1 - 08/04/14 at 19:03:25
 

Acting in support of the open source community (and themselves) the Chinese government has begun raiding MS China offices searching for items related to certain current Chinese anti-trust suits.

One of the things found and released publicly was the full listing of MS's top secret anti-android patent "big club" materials (information kept top secret by MS as they threatened various companies and extorted money from them without ever saying what for).

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/06/chinese-govt-reveals-microsofts-se...

http://windowsitpro.com/industry/china-further-bullies-microsoft

It is becoming clear that China is getting tired of MS's bullshite and is taking police/military/governmental action directly against certain Chinese based MS behaviors.

By this, MS has been put on notice by the Chinese government to cease spying in all forms through their operating system hooks, back doors etc. etc.

Windows 8 is no longer tolerated in China on any governmental machine.  MS will be held liable for all costs incurred in removing their "illegal" software.


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Re: Microsoft sues Samsung - Android
Reply #2 - 08/05/14 at 05:35:04
 

Microsoft may have greatly blunted their "big club" by entering into the Rockstar Troll consortium and combining their patents with the old Nortel stuff being used by the Rockstar Troll company.    This co-mingling of intellectual property weakens the base property -- as ownership is "shared" and any court decision on a Rockstar case now automatically enjoins MS as well.

Rockstar has had many of their patent infringement cases tossed out of court and each line item invalidated removes one item from Microsoft's feared secret "big club" list.   Many have been declared "lapsed" by passage of time and many have been declared "passed into the public domain due to non-enforcement by the original company".

Case in point -- the File Allocation Table was ruled to be prior technology, dating back to Palto Alto Labs / DEC etc and being part of grants to open source by those companies.   Now that IBM has put many many old items into the public domain MS's list effectively gets cut way way down by these IBM actions as anything applying to mainframe IBM machines is now open source.

Over half of the 300 patents have been tossed out already and generally these were the clearest of the lot -- the remainder are very esoteric and thus even more dubious.  Removal of just the already denied items from the MS case means MS's potential settlements have gone way way way down (as have Rockstar's).

In the case of Samsung vs MS -- Samsung had patent sharing in effect with Nokia when MS bought them -- it was far cheaper than what MS was charging.   Since MS inherited all of Nokia's responsibilities, then this patent sharing at the far reduced rate is part of it now.   Certainly Samsung should not be paying twice for this protection.

Samsung also has patent sharing in effect with Google, who KEPT all of Motorola's IP for just this reason.   Nortel was just a pimple on Motorola's butt in the cell phone space ..... so most items have a prior counter claim item from the Motorola world.

Samsung will go through the pain of the courtroom to debunk MS's big club and have the court assign a realistic value for whatever solid parts there actually are in that ancient wormy rotten wooden club.   Then the Rockstar lawyers will insist that part of the money belongs to them and after that foo-rah is all over Microsoft's "big club" will be reduced to a toothpick.    And a more fair and open price will be attached to the real valid intellectual property (whatever the court decides is not opensource or common domain anyway).

And then Open Source World, being what it is, will then rewrite their code base to obliterate the very few items that the court says are real and remaining.

Many nations (can you say China, South Korea, Germany, France, Spain and dozens of others) are getting really really pissed off at Microsoft right now over XP and may simply disallow MS's trollish actions completely by issuing statements that MS's "Big Club" list has been viewed by them as common domain for some time now and any judgments made in a USA court on this "big club" list will not be enforced in their country.


Roll Eyes     ..... and when you are only a paltry 14% of computing you are just a minor pissant irritant to a major government who can simply kick you out of their country like China just did.



Did you know that MS currently makes more actual dollars blackmailing companies over the "Big Club" list than they do in all of the rest of their mobile business added together?
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Re: Microsoft sues Samsung - Android
Reply #3 - 08/05/14 at 07:29:39
 

http://rolandh31.wordpress.com/tag/bingbooks/

http://strawn-04.blogspot.com/2014/03/why-will-fail.html





A new term has entered the computing lexicon -- Bingbook

A Bingbook is a totally locked down low end computing device powered by the free Microsoft BingOS.

Beware the Bingbook .....  unless you are a die hard MS fan you may be disappointed down the road when you attempt to upgrade your BingOS operating system and find that you cannot.

Or Microsoft dumps support for it when Win 9 comes out,  leaving you with no "free" upgrade rights and no anti-virus update/protection .....  yep, ChromeOS doesn't get viruses but BingOS will have the entire nasty world full of Windows viruses to deal with right from the get go.  

And a Google Chromebook is backed up performance-wise by massive Google Server Power, so the light hardware flies through any task.  MS BingOS, not so much unless you buy a lot of memory and a lot of processor when you buy the machine.


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Dude, you're getting a bing ....  

Aw man, I did't know she had a case of the bing when I picked her up, can't I go get 'er a shot or sumpthin' fer it?

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Re: Microsoft sues Samsung - Android
Reply #4 - 08/05/14 at 08:32:10
 
Oldfeller--FSO wrote on 08/05/14 at 07:29:39:
Dude, you're getting a bing new bunghole ....  


There.... fixed it for you.   Huh
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Re: Microsoft sues Samsung - Android "fee"
Reply #5 - 08/05/14 at 08:40:51
 
Rumor is, MS might allow XP/7 users to upgrade to 9 for free...

Undecided...
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Re: Microsoft sues Samsung - Android
Reply #6 - 08/05/14 at 09:30:42
 

If they run true to form, they will allow Chinese customers to upgrade for free and try to charge the USA XP customers full price.

If this happens, it will be because the Chinese government has busted MS's balls in favor of their own Chinese people
(who are getting screwed over en mass by MS over XP just like we are).

Our useless gubs seem to be only interested in getting a nice fat campaign contribution from MS .....  they seem not to be interested in us as a people at all.

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Re: Microsoft sues Samsung - Android
Reply #7 - 08/06/14 at 09:12:08
 

http://liliputing.com/2014/08/microsoft-surface-pro-3-launches-25-countries-m...

   
The blue keyboard is "extra cost" optional above the $799 price tag

Some 2014 financial figures have become available for Microsoft's Surface Division (Microsoft's tablet business).   These figures were rolled up by Computer World since MS refuses to release any data that reflects badly on them (which means you'd be stupid to invest in MS since they either lie or simply won't tell you squat).

"Microsoft hasn’t released detailed financial figures for its Surface tablets. But Computer World looked at available data and estimates that the Surface division might have lost as much as $363 million in the last quarter and $1.7 billion since the first Surface tablets launched in 2012.

Part of that loss is due to a write-off for unsold inventory of the Surface Mini tablet which Microsoft decided to scrap before launch this summer."



Also, to bring lasting joy to all the laptop makers, MS has decided to go into open competition directly against them in the same market slots ......  by this I mean Bingbooks on the low end and Surface 3 on the middle and the top end.

Of course MS will say they are competing against Google & Apple in those slots, but it is their loyal laptop makers who will feel the financial hit in the next quarters since they are the ones selling the existing Windows based units that will be replaced by any MS direct sold units.

"The Microsoft Surface Pro 3 is a 12 inch Windows tablet with a digital pen, an optional keyboard, and a starting price of $799. While that makes the tablet expensive when compared with Android or iOS devices, Microsoft is positioning the Surface Pro 3 as a complete laptop replacement."

So, MS is trying to say their Surface 3 is better than an Apple iOS laptop -- this means they are once again actively deluded in their hardware efforts.  

Thinking folks will pay more for a Surface 3 and then pay yet even more to get the keyboard is just plain delusional / silly.


Roll Eyes   .... whack them in the nuts again, China -- they still ain't listening.
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Re: Microsoft sues Samsung - Android
Reply #8 - 08/06/14 at 09:29:54
 

IF GOOGLE WOULD JUST GO AHEAD AND COMBINE CHROME AND ANDROID, or go ahead and add Android full functionality to Chrome (since that seems to be their path) and do it before Win9 comes out, then indeed MS might just fade on away into obscurity in the next few years.

Or, open source itself could follow the pathway blazed by the VolksPC folks (using a better processor and more memory) ....

http://liliputing.com/2014/08/volkspc-wants-crowdfund-androiddebian-linux-pc....

Somebody needs to come up with the next true general purpose "all devices" OS !!!


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Re: Microsoft sues Samsung - Android
Reply #9 - 08/06/14 at 11:52:54
 

So, Intel thinks they really own the Chromebook space (or else they are just acting like it, trying to bluff everybody just like they normally do).

Here, Intel, good 'ol Acer is calling your bluff.

http://liliputing.com/2014/08/acer-cb5-chromebook-tegra-k1-promises-13-hours-...





"Acer’s expected to launch a new Chrome OS laptop with a 13 inch display and an NVIDIA Tegra K1 processor soon. Wondering why you’d want a Chromebook with an ARM-based chip when there are plenty of cheap Intel-powered Chrome laptops which offer 8 hours of battery life?

Because the Acer CB5 Chromebook will get up to 13 hours of run time."


Don't act all gut punched, gasping in pain just yet, Intel.   Yes, it is a hard blow, coming from the #1 most powerful best speed ranked mobile chipset with it still doing double your real world, no bullshite 6 hours of real video streaming battery life.  

Don't look to the left from where Acer just gut punched you, look to the right instead  ....     Samsung is coming to see you on the right hand side with the #2 ranked mobile chipset -- their brand new Exynos 5433 OctaCore Chromebook jest 'a hooking it on in -- aimed right at the tip of your jaw.

But the real pain is going to be coming from the RK3288 punches and the Mediatek punches (3 good solid blows from Mediatek) being swung up at your personals from the low end of things --- them sub $180 Chromebooks are coming real soon to finish up your Christmas TKO with multiple uppercuts to your cost exposed danglies.

Some of it will be from your good buddy, Rockchip's various people, using the Chrome cert you actually paid for .....   ain't that nice of them?

And because you jest had to have Rockchip to go do it, Allwinner and all the rest seem inclined to go do it too, with them nice new extra powerful octa-core 64 bit chipsets they just designed and built.

Wink     All them Chinese and South Koreans are jest 'a lining up to take turns using your danglie sack as a speed bag, yes they are ----


Bam, bamma, bamma, bamma, Bam --- BAM !!!


Shocked    ouch !!!




Yup, Intel "owns" them Chromebooks alright -- and all of the agonizing pain therein as well.  

PS   China just gave MS a good switching for screwing around with them -- so what are you going to get when they get around to dealing with you, Intel?  

Jest think of all them hardware based backdoors & hooky equipped chipsets you done been sending over there .....
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Reply #10 - 08/07/14 at 14:56:26
 
http://liliputing.com/2014/08/microsoft-will-support-latest-versions-internet...





Vista and Win 7 isn't the only thing that is going to die soon ..... all previous versions of Explorer will die soon as well.


Think about this for a second, if Explorer was an integral part of a Windows OS version and they kill that Explorer version -- don't they functionally kill the Windows as well ????

No, you say -- the new version of Explorer 12 would plug right in, right?   Nope, not if Microsoft wants you to pay to upgrade your OS about now it won't .....

Stuff will just start blue screening and locking up for no reason, forcng you to upgrade ..... or get a new machine.    Or roll over to Linux.

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Microsoft had better give away Win 9 for free, or what in the world will they have left for market share after they systematically piss everybody off one by one ??

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Re: Microsoft sues Samsung - Android "fee"
Reply #11 - 08/08/14 at 01:46:00
 
Are new machines that expensive?
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Reply #12 - 08/08/14 at 07:22:51
 

Good point --- you can buy an "adequate" replacement Windows box for a couple of two-three hundred dollars right now.   The little processors aren't killing fast, but you aren't used to killing fast right now anyway.   Most of us currently see performance in the late XP early Win 7 range on our personal machines.

And, Windows itself is getting less & less processor and memory intensive as time rolls on as well -- Win 9 is supposed to be able to run OK on 1 gig of systems memory and to "run" on the lesser mobile processors like a dual core ARM processor.

So, yes, when the pinch comes you should have lots of options with which to scratch your itch.

Win 9 is supposed to correctly support ARM processors and ARM processors are becoming more and more powerful -- actually stronger than the main mass of Intel mobile Bay Trail processors (and at least one of the low end Haswells).

(still not as juicy as an i5 or i7, but in the ball park of the low end i3's

Since Windows wants to compete against Android in third world markets it has to work well on 1 gig of systems memory and a dual core ARM processor.   That is MS's survive and grow challenge.

To be competitive, MS has to do this.

MS is also feeling the people pinch as they trim down into a competitive mode -- they have got to ditch all the old legacy support functions (and support people) that they possibly can.

This fuels the "ditch all the old Explorers" stuff that is going on now.   MS can only afford to support the most modern OS and the most modern Explorer and the most modern Office.    

The rest of this stuff has got to go away, soon.   They can no longer have people to support it all any more.

MS has finally awoken to the fact they are struggling to survive.   They are at 14% market share and are still shrinking .....
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Re: Microsoft sues Samsung - Android
Reply #13 - 08/08/14 at 09:51:12
 


Speaking of that lowly 14% MS market share (still declining) Chromebooks and Chromeboxes can now run an ever increasing number of Android apps in their own separate windows (multiple windows work now too).  

ChromeOS plus Android does comprise a very complete general operating system that does run on all your devices, btw.

Android L when it comes out in October will have all their specs directly supporting this interchange, in essence saying a developer only needs to make one (1) Android L app and it can instantly run on all current released modern phones, tablets and ChromePCs from that point forward.

This is how Google plans to make the "next general open source operating system" operate.   Chrome only apps will fade over time, Android L apps will take over.

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Good news is that only ONE (1) app needs to be written and kept current.

If you want a MODERN good desktop experience, you'd get a good keyboard good screen Chromebook or Chromebox with some extra memory and a very good FAST graphics engine and you can then run all of Android and all of Chrome and all of Open Source Ubuntu stuff, flipping between them with a combo keystroke (or else running at the same time inside different windows that you leave open all the time).

Tegra K1 and Exynos 5433 and the Intel Haswell's are currently the preferred Chromebook/box super chips.   They all have enough guts to do this trick right now.

The next generation of 64 bit chips will all have enough guts to do it from the get go.

This is the doom that MS and Intel see coming, and this is why they will currently pay for over half your next Windows machine if you will just please go buy it now ..... and stay totally locked in to Wintel.

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Here is what is end of world fatal to 'ol MS -- eventually Win 9 apps such as Office must eventually be able to run inside the Android world spec-wise.  

If it won't run inside a Chromebook/box window like an Android app, then it has excluded itself from the majority of markets and the 86% majority of the new machines.

MS is beginning to understand that as 14% (and less) market share holder, they must conform to the general market specs and quit trying to go their own way all the time.    

Their bread and butter Office apps must be available to the widest possible set of people because that is where MS's money will come from in the future.


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Microsoft, however, is still stuck right now with three (3) non-cooperative operating systems.   Windows Phone, Windows RT and Windows 8.1.

Whups, should that count actually now be four (4) MS OS's since BingOS exists and it is intentionally non-compatible with anything else?

Microsoft Office menu system still won't run on 8" tablets worth a poot and Microsoft has scrapped 20,000 Microsoft Mini tablets (and their big gala introduction) rather than put them out on the market to get yet another MS black eye.

Google is very slowly making one big universal OS out of Chrome and Android, being careful not to upset their ecosystem or business partners by carefully controlling the pace of going from two to one combined OS.  

And they are doing it smart, BTW, leaving Android LEAN & optimized for battery operated phones and tablets while putting the PC interface mojo (the extra weight) into ChromeOS.

MS is slowly losing mobile business partners here in the USA but is picking up LOTS of brand new oriental tablet partners who will remain only as long as 1) the bribes hold up and 2) someone is dumb enough to buy the resulting small devices that can't run MS Office worth a poot.

Look to see a world full of discounted small Windows tablets hit the Ebay shelves after Christmas as the cherry-picking American reseller guys learn what Acer, Asus and Lenovo learned last Christmas.  

People may buy some of them small Windows tablets from Wally or Best Buy based upon the slick advertising on the box,  but they can take them back just as quick when they realize what they really got for real functionality.

Microsoft and Intel are currently bathing in red ink just to have a presence this Christmas.   Both are net negative in mobile at this time, and this will only get worse going into next year.

But remember, the Windows OS's are very fragmented still and Win8.1 is still very internally inconsistent with Office on any <10" small screen device.  

Yep, MS Office, the main reason to have MS in the first place.

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Re: Microsoft sues Samsung - Android
Reply #14 - 08/09/14 at 05:20:44
 

Forbes questions if MS can keep its critical skills pool after the latest lay offs.

Forbes analyses the MS layoff structure, uncovers that way more than 18,000 functional jobs have been lost at this point in time.


http://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyclay/2014/07/20/microsoft-layoffs-also-impac...



"On Thursday, June 21 Microsoft announced it was cutting 18,000 jobs or about 14% of its full-time workforce. It’s the largest layoff in the company’s history, and 12,500 of these jobs are related to Microsoft’s acquisition of Nokia ’s mobile phone business.

What wasn’t announced publicly was that Microsoft has also informed thousands of its contract workers that they, too, will be affected by the big job cuts.  

With the new policy, these contractors, including contract workers and exterior vendors (“v-dash” workers, as Microsoft calls them for their badge numbers) and temporary “a-dash” workers will have limited access to Microsoft resources after 18 months. After that they will be prevented from accessing Microsoft’s buildings and network for a period of six months.


(If you are lucky this is six months on, six months off with no benefits.  Many are not so lucky and are just plain cut.)

It’s important to realize just how many contract workers this policy will affect. In 2009, the Seattle Times reported that Microsoft’s external temporary staff numbered about 80,000. When these numbers are considered, and each of these contractors are forced to take their six month hiatus, Microsoft’s layoffs are much more sweeping than just the 18,000 employees initially reported.

I spoke with a current contract worker at Microsoft who works under a v-dash badge and wishes to remain anonymous. He said, ”Myself and many of my coworkers have been perma-contract workers at Microsoft for years. Perma-contractor is what those of us who do IT and Server stuff are called because we work to the limit of our contract, take a vacation and come back to the same job. It was a good gig because we typically made more than our salaried coworkers because the hourly was better and we go overtime.”

He explained that the change in this policy now means that “I can’t do years of work with only a month or two of a break in-between. This will drastically impact my lifestyle and finances.”

While CEO Satya Nadella has indicated he wants to run an even leaner organization, the announcements of layoffs to full-time employees and limited contract workers beg the question of how much these changes will affect the culture of Microsoft.

As the company will no longer be home to secure careers for full-time and contract employees alike, the company will now need to make big shifts to ensure that it can retain the loyalty of stellar employees and contract agencies who supply vendors, or risk falling behind to other technology companies that will sweep up this talent instead."


Microsoft is doing so poorly they can't even keep their crew -- this is a functional cut of approaching the 50% range.

So, understand why Microsoft is cutting all support for everything that isn't absolutely current stuff -- they have already had to let the people go.

Also understand why Win 9 has been delayed another year -- it won't be ready until then.

Huh

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Given their tanking 14% market share, in a year where do you think MS will be?


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Hint:   Last year Chromebooks finished the year at 10% of all laptops sold last year.

Last quarter they were at 31% of all laptops sold (first half of 2014)


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