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Removing, Blue, on Header ?
08/02/14 at 17:25:52
 
Removing, Blue, on Header ?

Is their something, that you have used that works?

Have tried,  toilette bowl cleaner, paint remover, navel jelly.

Could have it, ‘ceramic’ coated, (Heat resistance), from a place in Wisc.
(Black or Grey little over 100.   Chrome color little over 200)

I want to, just  clean, ‘most’ of the blue off.
So if it, ‘grows’, I can see if I have to play more with the carb adjustments.

Playing with the ’97 LS650.  (The  RED  one)  (2nd one, 1st is the '06 S40)
Had to take the header & exhaust  off (of course),
to check the CCT.  Did that replacement, (2 hole, 2nd hole),

(Still waiting for reports, from those of you that have done that,
what, ’slop’, (if any), are you finding on the, ‘oil drive gear’.
Just 1/2 visible, under the clutch basket)


Cleaning off the oil that has blown back on everything.
Raised the seat, Checked the valves,
Little tidily things, Sepdo rattle, Headlight rattle,
beer can ‘gasket’, for, Header/Muffler. etc.

I have researched the, 3 top,  “Blue Removers/polishes’
and they all ‘polish’. Just polishing, I can just, use Flitz, Simicrone, Rottenstone,
or 1,200 grit wet/dry,  (with oil on it), paper.  They All, ‘polish’.
(Which is  REMOVING the top layer of metal)

Thinking thy may be a chemical that will just wipe it off?

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Re: Removing, Blue, on Header ?
Reply #1 - 08/02/14 at 18:23:57
 
Nope,... BlueJob is the one people seem to use... (mosstly because most bike stores have it on the counter for sale)... but, it takes a ton of rubbing and is basically wearing the chrome past the blue...

I like the blue... makes the bike look like a runner...
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Reply #2 - 08/03/14 at 03:22:06
 
There's a post somewhere in the tech section about using aluminium foil soaked in dish wash to remove rust. Weather it works on blue, I can't say.
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Reply #3 - 08/03/14 at 06:43:54
 
jcstokes wrote on 08/03/14 at 03:22:06:
There's a post somewhere in the tech section about using aluminium foil soaked in dish wash to remove rust. Weather it works on blue, I can't say.


Nope....aluminum foil and water works on light rust....but not on blue.

The onliest thing that removes the blue is the Blue Job....and it takes a lot of very intense rubbing to remove anything but a light blue tint.  IF the blue has become dark.....it is hard to get off.

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Reply #4 - 08/03/14 at 23:05:28
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempering_%28metallurgy%29
You will get the blue back again so long the pipe becomes hot.
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Reply #5 - 08/04/14 at 11:16:10
 
Has anyone went with a re-chrome? If you got a heavy first class chrome job, would it blue as well?
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Reply #6 - 08/04/14 at 12:08:43
 
Igggy wrote on 08/04/14 at 11:16:10:
Has anyone went with a re-chrome? If you got a heavy first class chrome job, would it blue as well?


Yep.....good chrome experiences the same temperature issues.  It is not a quality issue.

I jetted my bike with an O2 meter, I don't spend much time sitting in traffic except when Oldfellor takes me to Pigeon Forge or MMRanch takes me through Gatlinburg, and I have not blued my pipe in 6,000 miles of riding.

The most reasonable explanation I have seen is this one from Khrome Works:

"All chrome plated steel exhaust pipes or mufflers will "blue" or discolor when the surface temperature reaches 900°F. This can occur if the fuel mixture is too rich. Instead of the charge burning mostly in the combustion chamber, the mixture continues to burn after the exhaust valve opens, down the pipe, causing extreme heat and bluing of the metal and its plated surface in the most restrictive areas - most commonly the bends or the baffle area. Cleaning products, such as Blue Buster™, are available and when properly used are quite effective in removing most discoloration from pipes. "

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Reply #7 - 08/04/14 at 13:04:06
 
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"All chrome plated steel exhaust pipes or mufflers will "blue" or discolor when the surface temperature reaches 900°F. This can occur if the fuel mixture is too rich. Instead of the charge burning mostly in the combustion chamber, the mixture continues to burn after the exhaust valve opens, down the pipe, causing extreme heat and bluing of the metal and its plated surface in the most restrictive areas - most commonly the bends or the baffle area. Cleaning products, such as Blue Buster™, are available and when properly used are quite effective in removing most discoloration from pipes. "


Except in our case, we are jetted so lean that it frequently misfires causing unburnt gas to flow in the header where it burns yada yada yada.
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Reply #8 - 08/04/14 at 13:51:09
 
Someone check my facts here.  I thought our header turned blue because of the excessive heat from burning lean.  Lean=hot.  Rich=cool.
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Reply #9 - 08/04/14 at 14:02:36
 
aircraft industry say rich=hot

my own experience says pipe turning blue put in larger main jet pipe goes back to gold and mpg improves.
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Reply #10 - 08/04/14 at 16:25:40
 
Quote:
 Is their something, that you have used that works?  


I couldn't get mine cleaned up either.  I took it off, used an electric palm sander with 180 grit, then painted it with BBQ paint.  I tried high temp paint and it came right off.  With the BBQ I still had to start the bike up 4 or 5 times and gradually warmed it up to cure it.  Once a year I give it a little dusting with the BBQ and it has worked out well.
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Reply #11 - 08/04/14 at 16:29:32
 
My aircraft experience is full rich is lower exhaust gas temperature and as you lean the mixture the EGT will rise to a peak then fall off. Normal operation would be to run a few degrees on the rich side to reduce fuel burn and look after the exhaust valves.
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Reply #12 - 08/04/14 at 18:02:04
 
This looks like probably the best/least expensive way to remove the blue from the header:


http://www.ebay.com/itm/181471931790?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2648&ssPageName=...
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Reply #13 - 08/04/14 at 18:30:15
 
When I did a search for the "bluing of chrome exhaust header" - just about every thing that came up was a forum where plain folk claimed the fuel mixture was rich......and just as many plain folk claimed it was lean.  There was not any reliable source that I could provide a link to.....Khrome Works was the best I could do, and since they manufacture exhaust systems I felt they were most likely to have some knowledge of the subject.

I tuned my bike to be at about a 13.6:1 air/fuel mixture....and my pipe does not turn blue.  From what I have read if it was a single wall pipe it would turn blue - but the double wall pipes are made to help prevent the bluing.  On some bikes....it works - on others.....not so much.

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Reply #14 - 08/04/14 at 18:57:37
 
It can be rich or lean... either will make your bike run crappy, and a crappy running engine works harder and gets hotter...
Mine was blue when I bought it,... caused by a bad leaking petcock...
Way... rich...

Also,.. idling too long in hot weather... inevitable here in Tucson...
... also,... mountain rides...
Also,... excessive time idling to warm the engine, or idling too long while tuning it...

Once it's a deep rich blue... no more worries... Grin...
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