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justin_o_guy2
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Reply #15 - 05/01/14 at 20:49:08
 
Harvard has recentl;y published a study on fluoride,, lowers IQ,.
Its NOT fluoride, not the one on the periodic table of elements.. What is put in drinking water is the waste from making fertilizer & aluminum,
Do yourself a favor,, go digging,
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Reply #16 - 05/01/14 at 21:02:45
 
Huh?... Wha'?... Undecided...

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Reply #17 - 05/02/14 at 05:55:25
 
Serowbot wrote on 05/01/14 at 21:02:45:
Huh?... Wha'?... Undecided...

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...........you've been lied to again by people pretending to be a government of/by/for the people........fluoride is a poison and you are being poison by a government pretending to care about you.  
http://fluoridealert.org/articles/50-reasons/

.........if they stop putting this poison in your water, then they are back to the original problem.......how to get rid of the waste created by aluminum manufacturing?          ............let the people of all ages filter it thru their bodies seems like a great solution ........still agree? Angry
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Reply #18 - 05/02/14 at 09:13:43
 
Row, Ive posted links to all this more than once. Ive STudied this. I havent simply accepted the government stance. I have too many times caught them lying, or being wrong,. Spend some time on this. Its not good stuff.. Skull & Bones on the door, on the bag, its poison, & why would anyone drink sunscreen to keep from getting a sunburn? So, Drinking this crap helps teeth? I found studies done in cities of approximate population, the fluorided one had about the same dental problems as the non-fluorided one, so, whats the point?
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Reply #19 - 05/02/14 at 09:29:41
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 05/02/14 at 09:13:43:
the fluorided one had about the same dental problems as the non-fluorided one, so, whats the point?

.........convenient waste disposal.
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Reply #20 - 05/02/14 at 10:17:15
 
if they stop putting this poison in your water, then they are back to the original problem.......how to get rid of the waste created by aluminum manufacturing?          ............let the people of all ages filter it thru their bodies seems like a great solution ........still agree? Angry

I'm sorry, clear something up for me. Are you saying aluminum manufacturers send their waste to drinking water so they can dispose of it and the fed's are in complete agreement with this as it helps them control the population somehow?

second question; have you ever been in an aluminum manufacturing plant?

third question: what's the largest plant you've been in?

fourth question: what is your personal background in manufacturing?
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Reply #21 - 05/02/14 at 10:40:28
 
WHY its there is for you to decide. That its poison is public & easy to access info. Thats a game people play when they cant accept a fact,, face it. REgardless of why its being put there, it is what it is, poison,,
America, land O th fray,Homo the brayve.,.,
YET, we have the sickest population, highest cancer rates & spend more on medical than anyone else.. NOw, why is that? Many reasons, lots of our food is toxic, but so is the water. Fluoridation has been scientifically proven to lower IQ.; Is more info needed to condemn the practice?
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Reply #22 - 05/02/14 at 10:47:33
 
The problem with discussing conspiracy theories is,.. any information that doesn't support the theory is automatically deemed propaganda of the conspirators...
Do you see the futility in such argument?...
Such closed-mindedness insists only my evidence is acceptable...
Useless discussion... Huh...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_fluoridation_controversy
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Water fluoridation has frequently been the subject of conspiracy theories. During the "Red Scare" in the United States during the late 1940s and 1950s, and to a lesser extent in the 1960s, activists on the far right of American politics routinely asserted that fluoridation was part of a far-reaching plot to impose a socialist or communist regime. They also opposed other public health programs, notably mass vaccination and mental health services.[56] Their views were influenced by opposition to a number of major social and political changes that had happened in recent years: the growth of internationalism, particularly the UN and its programs; the introduction of social welfare provisions, particularly the various programs established by the New Deal; and government efforts to reduce perceived inequalities in the social structure of the United States.[57]

Some took the view that fluoridation was only the first stage of a plan to control the American people. Fluoridation, it was claimed, was merely a stepping-stone on the way to implementing more ambitious programs. Others asserted the existence of a plot by communists and the United Nations to "deplete the brainpower and sap the strength of a generation of American children". Dr. Charles Bett, a prominent anti-fluoridationist, charged that fluoridation was "better THAN USING THE ATOM BOMB because the atom bomb has to be made, has to be transported to the place it is to be set off while POISONOUS FLUORINE has been placed right beside the water supplies by the Americans themselves ready to be dumped into the water mains whenever a Communist desires!" Similarly, a right-wing newsletter, the American Capsule News, claimed that "the Soviet General Staff is very happy about it. Anytime they get ready to strike, and their 5th column takes over, there are tons and tons of this poison "standing by" municipal and military water systems ready to be poured in within 15 minutes."[9]

This viewpoint led to major controversies over public health programs in the US, most notably in the case of the Alaska Mental Health Enabling Act controversy of 1956.[58] In the case of fluoridation, the controversy had a direct impact on local programs. During the 1950s and 1960s, referendums on introducing fluoridation were defeated in over a thousand Florida communities. Although the opposition was overcome in time, it was not until as late as the 1990s that fluoridated water was drunk by the majority of the population of the United States.[56]

The communist conspiracy argument declined in influence by the mid-1960s, becoming associated in the public mind with irrational fear and paranoia. It was portrayed in Stanley Kubrick's 1964 film Dr. Strangelove, in which the character General Jack D. Ripper initiates a nuclear war in the hope of thwarting a communist plot to "sap and impurify" the "precious bodily fluids" of the American people with fluoridated water. Another satire appeared in the 1967 movie In Like Flint, in which a character's fear of fluoridation is used to indicate that he is insane. Some anti-fluoridationists claimed that the conspiracy theories were damaging their goals; Dr. Frederick Exner, an anti-fluoridation campaigner in the early 1960s, told a conference: "most people are not prepared to believe that fluoridation is a communist plot, and if you say it is, you are successfully ridiculed by the promoters. It is being done, effectively, every day ... some of the people on our side are the fluoridators' 'fifth column'."[9]

In 1987, Ian E. Stephens authored a self-published booklet, an extract of which was published in the Australian new age publication Nexus Magazine in 1995. In it he claimed he was told by and individual named "Charles Elliot Perkins" that: "Repeated doses of infinitesimal amounts of fluoride will in time reduce an individual's power to resist domination by slowly poisoning and narcotising a certain area of the brain and will thus make him submissive to the will of those who wish to govern him ... Both the Germans and the Russians added sodium fluoride to the drinking water of prisoners of war to make them stupid and docile."

These statements have been dismissed by reputable Holocaust historians as untrue, but they are regularly repeated to the present day in conspiracy publications and websites.
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Reply #23 - 05/02/14 at 10:59:00
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 05/02/14 at 10:40:28:
WHY its there is for you to decide. That its poison is public & easy to access info. Thats a game people play when they cant accept a fact,, face it. REgardless of why its being put there, it is what it is, poison,,
America, land O th fray,Homo the brayve.,.,
YET, we have the sickest population, highest cancer rates & spend more on medical than anyone else.. NOw, why is that? Many reasons, lots of our food is toxic, but so is the water. Fluoridation has been scientifically proven to lower IQ.; Is more info needed to condemn the practice?


Let me clarify my position. It's not that I disagree about the health effects of fluoride or that it's not right to introduce a medical procedure in the water supply without permission. I would go back to what I've said before about yours and rats constant conspiracy theory announcements. All you guys do is rehash what other people write. I don't either of you are in a position where you can give expert testimony yourself. That's why was asking Rat what his background is. I went through all your 911 nonsense, refuted it as best I could, and you simply ignored it. Why would anyone listen to you further about another topic? Everything is big business trying to do this or big business trying to do that while neither of you have ever been involved with big business.  You keep thinking all these guys work together behind closed doors and that's absolute nonsense.
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Reply #24 - 05/02/14 at 11:16:30
 
WebsterMark wrote on 05/02/14 at 10:17:15:
I'm sorry, clear something up for me. Are you saying aluminum manufacturers send their waste to drinking water so they can dispose of it and the fed's are in complete agreement with this as it helps them control the population somehow?

Fluoride is a waste by product of manufacturing aluminum, Teflon, Freon and refining uranium to extract its most radioactive isotope. The original problem with what to do with fluoride began in the 1930’s with ALCOA (Aluminum Company of America), the only aluminum manufacturer in the U.S. then and the world's biggest fluoride polluter at that time.

So how did it wind up being place in drinking water?
Here’s some history and science………
It was discovered that fluoride caused tooth mottling especially in children near water sources with high concentrations of naturally occurring fluoride. Andrew Mellon, then Secretary of the Treasury, and the controlling shareholder of ALCOA sent Public Health Service scientist Trendley Dean out west to study the effects fluoride had on dental molting. Trendley Dean was also the first director of the National Institute of Dental Research. Needless to say he was supposed to find that fluoride was safe. Not only did he return with a report that fluoride was safe, but he fudged numbers to conclude that it was helpful to teeth. Dean was specifically assigned to investigate the damage a particular chemical did to teeth, but somehow concluded that the chemical was actually good for teeth.  Basically Dean’s Dean concluded that as children’s teeth disintegrate, they may have fewer cavities.
Well that was what the ALCOA scientist Gerald Cox wanted to hear. Cox started the ball rolling to get the waste product added to the nations drinking water supply.
It was ironic that the Public Health Service had spent ten years trying to eliminate fluorine ions from the water supply, given the tooth mottling findings. Now the largest manufacturer of the poison was working to increase it in the water. ….as always, big business and bribes win governments approval over health concerns of us taxpaying peons.
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Reply #25 - 05/02/14 at 11:17:40
 
WebsterMark wrote on 05/02/14 at 10:17:15:
second question; have you ever been in an aluminum manufacturing plant?

No..........why?
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Reply #26 - 05/02/14 at 11:19:05
 
WebsterMark wrote on 05/02/14 at 10:17:15:
third question: what's the largest plant you've been in?

what does it matter?
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Reply #27 - 05/02/14 at 11:21:10
 
WebsterMark wrote on 05/02/14 at 10:17:15:
fourth question: what is your personal background in manufacturing?

Yes....after the Navy I was Senior Electronics Technician and Lab Technician at a manufacturing plant. I made the prototypes that the engineers deigned. I ran various tests such as putting the circuits in oven and testing to electrical characteristics to see how heat, cold, vacuum and such affected them. I created modifications as needed by varying things such as capacitance, inductance and resistance to make the circuits preform to military specifications.
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Reply #28 - 05/02/14 at 12:40:21
 
Willie,
my very close friend and riding buddy quotes the same flouride and 911 articles as you and I love the old guy but we disagree..
Don't get mad but some of this stuff is just too wacky for me.

I'm no fan of big government either but gee-wiz buddy  Shocked
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Reply #29 - 05/02/14 at 12:54:25
 
shorty wrote on 05/02/14 at 12:40:21:
Willie,
my very close friend and riding buddy quotes the same flouride and 911 articles as you and I love the old guy but we disagree..
Don't get mad but some of this stuff is just too wacky for me.

I'm no fan of big government either but gee-wiz buddy  Shocked

Sounds like you have a very wise friend.
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