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The Ukraine
03/04/14 at 11:07:06
 
I can't believe a thread hasn't been started about this yet.
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Re: The Ukraine
Reply #1 - 03/04/14 at 12:45:18
 
Putin is scary nuts...
That's about all I got... Huh..
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Reply #2 - 03/04/14 at 13:35:22
 
We need wambr or some such to shine a light. Mpesci shined some.. but in not in few days.

JOG would be proud. So us currency wackos.. have been talking about the shaky ground the US dollar is on, it seems to come across as anti-obama... maybe sometimes it is..but really He isnt doing anything that wasnt started long before him. But I digress...

So I found an article ( Washington Post I think) saying that someone ( not Putin directly) in the USSR responded to the USA threat of sanctions. Their response... do it and the US dollar will utterly crumble. They are prepared to leave the dollar as a world currency, not enforce us loans to USSR entities and if Europe gets uppity.. cut off the gas pipelines to there (which BTW transit Ukraine).

(heres a different URL: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-04/putin-advisor-threatens-dumping-us-t...

This is something the conspiracy nuts have been saying for a long while. Why did Bush go after Iraq? WMD?? no, they threatend to trade oil for gold (or not USD), Libia.. same thing... Syria.. same thing...
US can go in and romp those pesky third world countries... Russia???? not so much!!!!  

This will be interesting... US cannot bully Russia, nor China for that matter. And those two are very large holders of US treasury notes. Let's not even think of what a real war would mean.

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Reply #3 - 03/04/14 at 14:07:37
 
Serowbot wrote on 03/04/14 at 12:45:18:
Putin is scary nuts...


I think he is the smartest guy in the room as well.
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Reply #4 - 03/04/14 at 19:38:09
 
Interesting read on yahoo news....

http://news.yahoo.com/russia-warns-could-reduce-zero-economic-dependency-us-0...

Just go back to using rubles and don't pay us back our loans..... and that would throw us in the dark ages?
One country?.... hmm are we really in that deep?

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Reply #5 - 03/04/14 at 21:05:24
 
biggest impact is we loose the taxi service to space station.
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Reply #6 - 03/04/14 at 21:17:24
 
verslagen1 wrote on 03/04/14 at 21:05:24:
biggest impact is we loose the taxi service to space station.


Dragon X is fixin' that problem, gonna be an auto contolled capsule for passengers.
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Reply #7 - 03/05/14 at 06:41:02
 
old_rider wrote on 03/04/14 at 19:38:09:
Interesting read on yahoo news....

http://news.yahoo.com/russia-warns-could-reduce-zero-economic-dependency-us-0...

Just go back to using rubles and don't pay us back our loans..... and that would throw us in the dark ages?
One country?.... hmm are we really in that deep?




Yes....


We have been using... most would agree abusing the fact that the US dollar is the worlds reserve currency.  There are trillions of dollars out in the other countries... the US counts on that NOT coming home. But what happens when it does. What if every single dollar in the WORLD were to be packed up and shipped to the USA?  Russia and China can dump their dollars... it will hurt.
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Reply #8 - 03/05/14 at 08:38:33
 
China IS packing them up & shipping them back, slowly, so as to not ruin the value. Theyve decreased their purchases & started buying things here.
As for Russia "Invading", all they did was go in & secure bases already there. Of course, such action will be reported as horrible aggression,
Once again, destabilizations are not usually "organic" in nature. That whole Arab Spring thing was supported by someone.. Al CIAduhh has their flag over Libya,, how did that happen? Anyone who believes we are some Worlds Boy Scout is failing to actually LOOK at what we really do.,
Our military is the thug arm of the global elite, just like Mafia Muscle., We have been taken over. OUr foreign policy doesnt reflect the needs of America, it represents the needs of the global elite,
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Reply #9 - 03/05/14 at 11:12:46
 
While we will have more to say about the disastrous December TIC data shortly, which was released early today, and which showed a dramatic plunge in foreign purchases of US securities in December - the month when the S&P soared to all time highs and when everyone was panicking about the 3% barrier in the 10 Year being breached and resulting in a selloff in Tsy paper - one thing stands out. The chart below shows holdings of Chinese Treasurys (pending revision of course, as the Treasury department is quite fond of ajdusting this data series with annual regularity): in a nutshell, Chinese Treasury holdings plunged by the most in two years, after China offloaded some $48 billion in paper, bringing its total to only $1268.9 billion, down from $1316.7 billion, and back to a level last seen in March 2013!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-18/china-sells-second-largest-amount-us...

They aren't moving slowly enough to go undetected.


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Reply #10 - 03/05/14 at 13:41:42
 
Some similarities between Hitler's pre-WW2 activity in Europe and Putin' recent activity in the Ukraine ... Putin is ex-KGB and still a "Soviet" at heart ... I fear if we ignore and/or appease him, we just might regret it in the way that Chamberlain and Stalin regretted appeasing Hitler ...
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Reply #11 - 03/05/14 at 18:39:33
 
My read on Putins actions is that so far all he has done is secure his existing installations. Same as we would do if we had bases in an area where the political climate started getting uneasy. Just like Ahmadinejad was "quoted" as saying Israel needed to be blown off the map, which was not at all what he said,, Our media is used to freak us out,
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Reply #12 - 03/05/14 at 22:45:40
 
Noop,.. that ain't all... troops have gone beyond the base...

We're no better,... we'd have done the same...
That don't make it right... it's just a thin ice we stand on when we condemn it...
Russia needs that port access... it's a fairly landlocked country (at least the westward side)... We should stay out of it... Ukraine would be smart to negotiate some sort of lease agreement... (they won't win, and we won't either)...

Not sayin' we couldn't, but we won't... a cornered dog is gonna' bite...
That water access is too valuable to Putin...
Russia's Suez/Panama Canal...

We rent ours...  Huh...
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Reply #13 - 03/06/14 at 07:43:03
 
Serowbot wrote on 03/05/14 at 22:45:40:
Noop,.. that ain't all... troops have gone beyond the base...

We're no better,... we'd have done the same...
That don't make it right... it's just a thin ice we stand on when we condemn it...
Russia needs that port access... it's a fairly landlocked country (at least the westward side)... We should stay out of it... Ukraine would be smart to negotiate some sort of lease agreement... (they won't win, and we won't either)...

Not sayin' we couldn't, but we won't... a cornered dog is gonna' bite...
That water access is too valuable to Putin...
Russia's Suez/Panama Canal...

We rent ours...  Huh...


Agreed 100%

While it sucks for Ukraine, this is Putins front yard. USA should let this dog to his bone.
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Reply #14 - 03/06/14 at 10:44:07
 
old_rider wrote on 03/04/14 at 21:17:24:
verslagen1 wrote on 03/04/14 at 21:05:24:
biggest impact is we loose the taxi service to space station.


Dragon X is fixin' that problem, gonna be an auto contolled capsule for passengers.


I believe that is called a cannonball... Grin
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