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Re: boosting the thumper
Reply #120 - 11/19/14 at 18:04:18
 
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Reply #121 - 11/19/14 at 18:49:41
 
There's no possibility of the exhaust biting you if you put the stand on the other side? In the meantime just blame the local vintage car/bike person for oil residue on the ground, best of all blame English classic bike owners for doing it.
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Reply #122 - 04/06/15 at 16:44:04
 
Whilst I'm here it's time for another update. I've been riding the bike everyday, and it's been good. The backfiring/exploding intake issue was solved with the addition of a relief valve. Now when it's cold and decides to backfire in the intake instead of punching a hole in my intake, the valve just pops open.  Cheesy

I've also put a larger pulley back on it to increase the boost to 25psi. It sounds like a ridiculous amount of boost (I initially only wanted to run 5!) But I'm convinced the high readings from the gauge are not what they seem.

25psi is the pressure readings from my small intake tract. However the motor ought to grenade itself if it was running that amount of boost inside the cylinder. I'm fairly convinced that because the single piston only opens the intake 1 in ever 4 strokes, the pressure in the intake is much higher than what the cylinder sees. This is why when I reduced the pulleys to give me a 10psi boost the performance was barely noticeable. That 10psi might only have been 2psi once the cylinder inhales.

So I've cranked it back up and it's going good. Took the bike on it's first open-road/highway trip with some mates on their sports bikes. It was a hot day and I started getting some detonation.  Undecided This was the first time  SavageBob has seen sustained boost. i.e. boosting between traffic lights in the city is not the same as continual boost doing 100kmph.

I was running 95 octane. I've now increased that by adding toluene to my tank so it's probably around 98-100 octane now. I'll see how that makes a difference on the open-road next time I get a chance.
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Reply #123 - 04/06/15 at 18:42:25
 
I will never need it, but out of interest, how much Toluene are you adding for your alleged 3 to 5 extra octanes?
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Reply #124 - 04/06/15 at 19:54:44
 
Well, based on a bottle of aftermarket octane booster (mostly Toluene based) which is 325ml and treats an 80L tank to raise octane by 5.

I'm just using a bit of trial and error and adding about 30mls per savage tank to raise the octane by 3 or 4 points. I think 5 is overkill.
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Reply #125 - 04/06/15 at 20:33:18
 
Do the math. Toluene has an octane rating of 114.

If you run 25% toluene and 75% 93 octane that equates to:

(0.25*114) + (0.75*93) = 98.25 octane (average)
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Reply #126 - 04/06/15 at 20:39:59
 
I think what those bottles call an "octane point" is actually about 0.1 points. 30 ml of 114 octane added to the Savage tank will only increase a tank of 93 octane to around 93.5 octane.  Wink
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Reply #127 - 04/06/15 at 21:05:23
 
heh, maths was never my strong suit..but the back of the bottle of octane boost I have says 325ml raises 80L by 5 octane points. But now I realise as you say, that 'points' are not going from 95 to 100.. but from 95 to 95.5..

I also thought Tolly was 121 octane in RON? Which is how we measure it at the pump isn't it?

I'm adding it to 95 octane. Wanting to raise it to about 98. Maybe I need to add a couple of L per tank to do that.
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Reply #128 - 04/07/15 at 12:01:09
 
Savage Bob, the Americans use AKI anti knock index which apparently is different to RON.
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Reply #129 - 04/07/15 at 19:40:17
 
You are correct. Toluene has a RON number of 121 (MON 107)

(R+M)/2 = 114
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Reply #130 - 04/07/15 at 19:51:21
 
Add enough toluene to fill 20% (about 2.1L) of the tank and you should see ~100 octane RON.
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Reply #131 - 04/07/15 at 20:03:11
 
Been following loosely....
Are you sure it won't blow the rings doing that? Detonation in the intake would counter act your compression stroke and you would actually loose power no matter how much air and fuel you are pushing into the cylinder.
Have you dyno'd the bike? and adj. the flows? used sensors and temp guages? or are you just driving and going by what it does and how it acts?
OK... i'll just sit back and listen to the post a bit more.... LOL, maybe i'll go back to the beginning again , my memory sux....Grin Grin
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Reply #132 - 04/07/15 at 20:59:00
 
I'm not 'sure' about any of this  Cool

But I can't see how raising the octane can be a bad thing. It's only really for sustained boost trips on the open-road. If I'm going to be doing that I'll throw in some Tolly.

It doesn't detonate boosting around the city. No I haven't dynod the bike yet unfortunately finding a motorbike dyno locally is a bit of a mission. They seemed to have disappeared after a big earthquake we had a few years back.
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Reply #133 - 04/09/15 at 03:32:53
 
Good to see you are still firing on all ONE cylinder !  
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Reply #134 - 04/09/15 at 04:31:14
 
savagebob wrote on 04/07/15 at 20:59:00:
I'm not 'sure' about any of this  Cool

But I can't see how raising the octane can be a bad thing. It's only really for sustained boost trips on the open-road. If I'm going to be doing that I'll throw in some Tolly.

It doesn't detonate boosting around the city. No I haven't dynod the bike yet unfortunately finding a motorbike dyno locally is a bit of a mission. They seemed to have disappeared after a big earthquake we had a few years back.


Since you like to tinker.....some of the WWII fighter jets had lots of boost on takeoff, and they had a water injection system to cut back on the detonation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_injection_%28engine%29
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