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Re: Is it now time for a firearms black market?
Reply #30 - 04/17/13 at 19:22:08

srinath wrote on 04/17/13 at 17:27:58:

Dane Allen wrote on 04/17/13 at 17:04:50:

I can talk because I have put up, I have found and identified flaws in your logic, statements, ideas and what ever else you have thrown around here. You deflect, ignore, obfuscate, avoid and change the subject everytime someone blows a hole in your argument. Your responses are without reason, illogical and unreceptive to any information that contradicts what is in your fantasy world.

I have beat your phylosophy down so much that I don't even bother to engage you any longer. You are not interested in testing your ideas or learning anything. Your goal is to ram through your ideas no matter how many holes everyone else shoots in them. Everyone has tryied to help you understand the errors in your logic but you refuse to accept them, no matter how blatantly and obviously wrong you are.

So, you can go on and be the court jester all you want, spouting off bizarre thoughts and ideas and ignoring the logic and reason that has been dismantling your points nonstop. Others may have the patience for your foolishness but, for me, it got old after the first couple weeks.

You have done nothing of the sort. You have proclaimed victory as soon as the starting whistle went off.
Call it bizzare all you want ... and try to tack on bs garbage add on's in an effort to try to make yourself sound better ... its called a strawman argument.

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Re: Is it now time for a firearms black market?
Reply #31 - 04/17/13 at 21:00:18

srinath wrote on 04/17/13 at 17:27:58:

You have done nothing of the sort. You have proclaimed victory as soon as the starting whistle went off.
Call it bizzare all you want ... and try to tack on bs garbage add on's in an effort to try to make yourself sound better ... its called a strawman argument.

Wow! Talk about seeing what you put out there yourself... Just frightening.

As to how to know what is in a truck, other than shipping bills, bills of lading, or knowing people in shipping companies... You could just look for a heavily loaded truck leaving a gun manufacturer...

But that is just crazy talk.

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Re: Is it now time for a firearms black market?
Reply #32 - 04/18/13 at 05:28:48

houstonbofh wrote on 04/17/13 at 21:00:18:

srinath wrote on 04/17/13 at 17:27:58:

You have done nothing of the sort. You have proclaimed victory as soon as the starting whistle went off.
Call it bizzare all you want ... and try to tack on bs garbage add on's in an effort to try to make yourself sound better ... its called a strawman argument.

Wow! Talk about seeing what you put out there yourself... Just frightening.

As to how to know what is in a truck, other than shipping bills, bills of lading, or knowing people in shipping companies... You could just look for a heavily loaded truck leaving a gun manufacturer...

But that is just crazy talk.

Alright lets back up 1 step here ... I will talk about new guns only. Comparing a used black market gun to a new gun is comparing a used car to a new car. Used = cheaper.

OK you suggest criminals will rob a truck filled with guns. I cant do much other than say ... no they wont.

OK So - what is the facts you and I agree on.
Fact 1. There is a well alive black market in guns.
Fact 2. That can be cheaper than the legal market.

Agreed so far ? OK.

You suggest these are stolen. Cos they found the bill of lading or bribed a truck driver or killed one and took it as it left the manufacturer. OK I may have seen it in movies that way. Yea.

However non movie information I have seen and heard over the years says that the guns are bought legally in a state with loose/no gun laws. That also makes them cheaper. By the trunk full, transported to DC or NYC. Transporting a gun to another state is illegal BTW. There they get sold on the street for a 2-300%+ profit ...

This is a quick reference for that, from what I say is a neutral source - but you can find your own -
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases-test/gun-runners-picked-up-in-2-state...

That also happens with cigarettes and alcohol (including my neighbor) anything that has $$$ tax or restrictions in 1 location but wide open in another location = people will traffic in that.

We wont have a black market if it was the same everywhere. Like NYC=SC=TX. Nothing is stolen in any real quantity to make any difference. That is my theory.

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Re: Is it now time for a firearms black market?
Reply #33 - 04/18/13 at 09:03:12

srinath wrote on 04/18/13 at 05:28:48:

houstonbofh wrote on 04/17/13 at 21:00:18:

srinath wrote on 04/17/13 at 17:27:58:

You have done nothing of the sort. You have proclaimed victory as soon as the starting whistle went off.
Call it bizzare all you want ... and try to tack on bs garbage add on's in an effort to try to make yourself sound better ... its called a strawman argument.

Wow! Talk about seeing what you put out there yourself... Just frightening.

As to how to know what is in a truck, other than shipping bills, bills of lading, or knowing people in shipping companies... You could just look for a heavily loaded truck leaving a gun manufacturer...

But that is just crazy talk.

Alright lets back up 1 step here ... I will talk about new guns only. Comparing a used black market gun to a new gun is comparing a used car to a new car. Used = cheaper.Cool.
Srinath.

Interesting, this is like how you compare your 23% tax on wages to Romney's 13% tax on investment income and call it the same money but now you want to separate new guns versus old guns so as to make your weak arguments a little stronger.

Just letting you know that we all see this and you aren't fooling anyone.

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Reply #34 - 04/18/13 at 09:41:06

Oh cool you want to talk about used guns - easy ... just another parallel ... I omitted it cos it was almost going to run parallel and have a few added twists - not cos I wanted to dodge the issue like Mitt "I hide behind my 3 million in taxes I claim to have paid and an average of 13% back to 1989 when the working class stiffs are around 25%" RMoney -

Anyway the story with used guns - easy to buy on the streets in areas without gun laws. The thing is, people sell guns cos of many reasons and in areas with no laws for gun control there is a lot of people selling them cos they bought more/better/newer etc.

Guns from SC etc get bought (I dont know it happens en masse like new guns) and transported to NYC. Where due to laws and restrictions you can make a 2-300% profit ... except this twist. you buy a used gun, and its been used in a earlier crime, you're gonna get nailed for prior crimes on that gun ... it makes a used gun purchase a lot more dangerous. maybe that causes people to pay a smaller % as a profit. Maybe closer to 200% ... if you need a gun ... you need a gun.

OK how's that ...

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Reply #35 - 04/18/13 at 10:53:46

srinath wrote on 04/18/13 at 09:41:06:

...Mitt "I hide behind my 3 million in taxes ....

How much did you pay again? I can't seem to find it, would it be easier if you just said how much LESS in taxes you paid than Mitt Romney? While you are at it maybe you could share how much LESS you paid to charaity than Romney's $2 million.

Oh, how about this, since you like percentages, and may not want to share your actual tax bill even though Romney has and you are kinda hypocritical in bashing him while hiding your own payments. Can you tell us within a few percentage points what percent of Romney's $3 million in taxes you paid? 50-55% maybe? 1-2% too high? .001-.003%?

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Reply #36 - 04/18/13 at 11:22:27

Very nice Dane, and very stupid. Mitt "I hide behind my 3 million in taxes and 2 million to my cult and claim its 13% and 10% after hiding my $$$ in swiss banks" RMoney is a public person who declared his taxes on national TV.

I dont have to tell you squat Dane ... 23% and 7% is all you need to know and as such it for reference it was 70% higher than RMoney, and 30% less to charity than RMoney's Cult donation, and all of my charity was spread across 3 charities, not to 1 cult, and these are genuine charities and in over 50% it was miles driven for delivery/pickup etc. Only miles count for that sort of work in your taxes, no time no nothing else.

I'm just staying with the facts.

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Reply #37 - 04/18/13 at 11:44:38

srinath wrote on 04/18/13 at 11:22:27:

Very nice Dane, and very stupid. Mitt "I hide behind my 3 million in taxes and 2 million to my cult and claim its 13% and 10% after hiding my $$$ in swiss banks" RMoney is a public person who declared his taxes on national TV.

Nice dodge, I really like how you evade the question with an insult to me, then deflect with bigotry and then change the subject by stating the obvious, that Romney stated his taxes on national TV. Let's go on to paragraph two to see how far you run away from the point...

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I dont have to tell you squat Dane ...

Fine, and whether you admit it or not, I accept this as your surrender on the Romney tax issue, though I doubt you will stop using it as a crutch.

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23% and 7% is all you need to know and as such it

For clarification, stand alone percentages mean nothing unless applied to an actual number.

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for reference it was 70% higher than RMoney, and 30% less to charity than RMoney's Cult donation, and all of my charity was spread across 3 charities, not to 1 cult, and these are genuine charities and in over 50% it was miles driven for delivery/pickup etc. Only miles count for that sort of work in your taxes, no time no nothing else.

You paid 70% higher taxes than Romney, so $5.1 million dollars...is this where I suspend my disbelief?

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I'm just staying with the facts.

Anyone else want to field this pop fly? Grin

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Reply #38 - 04/18/13 at 12:05:09

Dane: The Mitt "I pay 13% in taxes and hide behind the fact that it was 3 million after my cronies manipulated the tax codes to make that legal" RMoney's tax issues will stop being an issue if he pays say 20% - about the same as Warren Buffet and Obama ... that would still be a whopping 15% lower than the working class stiff like me pays ...

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Reply #39 - 04/18/13 at 12:41:33

srinath wrote on 04/18/13 at 12:05:09:

Dane: The Mitt "I pay 13% in taxes and hide behind the fact that it was 3 million after my cronies manipulated the tax codes to make that legal" RMoney's tax issues will stop being an issue if he pays say 20% - about the same as Warren Buffet and Obama ... that would still be a whopping 15% lower than the working class stiff like me pays ...

You can repeat anything you want ... these pixels are free ...

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Dodge post number 6!! How much did you pay again? Do you still not know the difference between wages and dividends?

Oh, I demolished your "cronies manipulated the tax codes" schick in another thread. Might wanna wander over and get educated.

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srinath Serious Thumper Offline I love YaBB 1G - SP1! Posts: 5349	Re: Is it now time for a firearms black market? Reply #40 - 04/18/13 at 18:06:37 Oh yea 23% ... OK. Cool. Srinath.
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Reply #42 - 04/19/13 at 09:08:46

If you want a black market gun here, go to the back door of the police station with a few vials of crack or meth. The guns taken off the street during arrests or buy back programs are "back doored" for drugs or cash. Lots of handguns with case file numbers end up back on the streets.

The state of KY auctions off seized guns to licensed dealers.

If you live near a base, you can already buy just about any small arm or munitions you desire, including light crew served belt fed machine guns. More than once I found a machine gun nest in the woods, lots of marijuana farms on Dept of Natural Resources lands in western WA. And the firearms used to protect the crops were stolen from Ft Lewis, by black, Mexican or Asian gang affiliated soldiers and either sold cheap at local pawn shops or bartered in the "happy endings" massages parlors for a knob job... Roll Eyes

I've hauled loads of alcohol and ammo that were imported from Europe. Very easy to tell what is in them if you know how to read trailer seals. Same for domestic origin loads. It isn't hard to spot an ATF seal, chunk of lead around a cable that is wrapped around at least 2 door rods... and it says BATFE in the lead...

Military munitions loads are escorted. I've hauled several of them, and when 3 of our trucks had to park off base for the night before delivering in the morning, our rigs were surrounded at all times by armed service personnel.

Every port, railyard and airfield has at least one employee per shift who is calling hijackers with the trailer/container numbers for high dollar loads.

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Reply #43 - 04/19/13 at 13:38:41

Dane Allen wrote on 04/18/13 at 21:38:13:

srinath wrote on 04/18/13 at 18:06:37:

Oh yea 23% ... OK.
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Make that 7.

Very good dane: 7 would be the overall % I paid more in taxes + charity than RMoney. Very good you're catching on.
My taxes are none if your business ... you offer up yours ... then we'll talk ... even as a % ...

RMoney is a public a$$hole who declared his taxes as though we would see it and think wow ... he paid so much.

In comparison warren Buffet paid 17.4 and over a billion $$$ ...
Just for the hard of comprehension its 333 times RMoney's contribution and 25% more than RMoney's contribution.

And where did you get the Idea I hated mormons ? I dont recall ever saying I hate them. I just hate tax cheats who contribute to their cult and proudly state that as some sort of noble deed. Does the Mormon church do anything other than push mormonism ? NO ... ergo, its a self serving charity. AKA cult.

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Reply #44 - 04/19/13 at 14:29:03

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Very good dane: 7 would be the overall % I paid more in taxes + charity than RMoney. Very good you're catching on.

Another dodge.

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My taxes are none if your business ... you offer up yours ... then we'll talk ... even as a % ...

You are the one who won't shut up about it, we already know that Romney paid $3 million in taxes. You won't even complete your own comparison except to say you paid $5.1 million. I don't need to offer up mine because I am not making the point that Romney cheated. Romney paid way more than me and I am fine with that and appreciate his contribution to the economy. This is all your battle.

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RMoney is a public a$$hole who declared his taxes as though we would see it and think wow ... he paid so much.

Well, that is because wow, he paid soo much. How much did you pay again?

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In comparison warren Buffet paid 17.4 and over a billion $$$ ...
Just for the hard of comprehension its 333 times RMoney's contribution and 25% more than RMoney's contribution.

Irrelevant, no one cares!!!

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And where did you get the Idea I hated mormons ?

That is a good question, let's see if we can find the answer together.

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I dont recall ever saying I hate them. I just hate tax cheats who contribute to their cult and proudly state that as some sort of noble deed. Does the Mormon church do anything other than push mormonism ? NO ... ergo, its a self serving charity. AKA cult.

Oh, SNAP!!! There it is, you answered your own question.

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