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Reply #30 - 12/15/12 at 13:29:49
 
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Not a bad idea, but unworkable.  Teachers are among the most liberal groups in society, and darn few would go along.  Now, maybe same male football coach at a high school might, but certainly not the average elementary school teacher, most of whom are women.
Nothing wrong with women gun owners - my wife is one, and at age 64 she can still shoot the eyes out of a snake at 30 yards with a Webley .380.  But she's a very atypical gal in many ways.
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Reply #31 - 12/15/12 at 13:38:42
 
Jerry what would work?
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Reply #32 - 12/15/12 at 14:09:45
 
I wish I knew.  It's a society problem, not a weapons problem.  Kids today play horrible viseo games, full of death and destruction.  So many split homes where kids go home to an empty house after school and are left to their own devices for hours until some tired and frazzled mother then has to deal with all of the domestic chores after work, and no father present.  Church attendance falling drastically, especially among families with children.

Our society has fallen off of the cliff.  At the risk of sounding like the old guy who isn't "with it" anymore, I was thinking of my high school yearbook pictures of us seniors.  I went to a mixed race, inner city high school, but every yound man, black and white, in those pages of pictures looked sharp, had a suit on for his picture ( a teacher actually lent one kid, white, by the way ) a suit coat and tie for his picture because the parents couldn't afford one.  But we all looked normal and sharp.

We had a dress code - no ankle length black trench coats like the Columbine shooters wore would have been tolerated - you had to come to school shaven with a normal haircut, and boys had to wear a belt on their trousers.  Girls' skirts had to be no shorter than the middle of the knee.  Shorts were not allowed, even though obviously the old school had no A/C in the early 1960s.  We were taught to be normal.

We've just lost it as a society.  I was on our school board for one term 20 years ago when all of this diversity crap began.  The motto of our nation is E Pluribus Unum, which is translated One From Many - that's what the country used to be; one people with many roots.  Now, we celebrate diversity - what crap.  We are afraid to say Merry Christmas because someone might be offended at a heritage that made our country great but is now considered offensive.

That's why I REFUSE to use the words African American.  They spit in the face of the proud black people who work hard, raise good families, serve and die in our military - these folks are Americans without the need for an adjective.  I am not a Swiss American - I'm an American, plain and simple and so are my fellow citizens who just happen to have a different color skin.

So if we are ever to fix this, we first must fix society and get back to an appreciation of family, country, discipline, good order, pride in our country first, and another hundred qualities that we've lost.  It sickens me when some of our fellow on this forum insult our president, call him a criminal or an idiot, be he GWB or Obama - both of them, while miles apart politically, are good men who did, or are doing their best.  We have lost respect for the most basic of American values in the rush toward political correctness.

Sorry to preach, but you did ask.  I know of no simple one liner to fix this.
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Re: Associated Press: 27 Dead, 20 Are Children.
Reply #33 - 12/15/12 at 14:22:24
 
And, I often think of a wide receiver on our high school team who happened to be a black kid.  He was killed in a fire fight in Vietnam in 1967, at a time when I was still in college, probably hooting it up, with the time difference between here and there of about 12 hours, as I forget the precise difference.  It bothers me to this day that this guy, and dear friend to whom I threw many a football died while I was probably partying.

He was an American soldier - as I would later be, and no other description need apply.
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Reply #34 - 12/15/12 at 15:09:15
 
With reference to Starlifter's opening post, he is, alas, 100% correct.

From the point of view of a European, and an Italian at that, it is a sorry thing to say there are more murders in NYC in one night alone, than in all of the mafia-ridden South of Italy in a year.
Think about it.

From the point of view of a European, and an Italian at that, it is absurd that there are, according to FBI and BATF statistics, 88 firearms per 100 citizens... and that includes newborn babies, old-age pensioners and all those living abroad whose gun rights are waived in respect for host nation regulations.

From the point of view of a European, and an Italian at that, it is absurd that, as Starlifter correctly said, the 2nd amendment is quoted only in its second half, and ignored in its first half.

You want to know what "gun control" means? Go to your local vehicle licensing office and ask what happens if you buy a car and simply drive out, no plates, no insurance, and expect to drive home happily "exercising your constitutional right to freedom of movement"... Grin Yup!

Jerry Eichenberger wrote on 12/15/12 at 14:09:45:
I wish I knew.  It's a society problem, not a weapons problem.  Kids today play horrible viseo games, full of death and destruction.  So many split homes where kids go home to an empty house after school and are left to their own devices for hours until some tired and frazzled mother then has to deal with all of the domestic chores after work, and no father present.  Church attendance falling drastically, especially among families with children.

Our society has fallen off of the cliff.  At the risk of sounding like the old guy who isn't "with it" anymore, I was thinking of my high school yearbook pictures of us seniors.  I went to a mixed race, inner city high school, but every yound man, black and white, in those pages of pictures looked sharp, had a suit on for his picture ( a teacher actually lent one kid, white, by the way ) a suit coat and tie for his picture because the parents couldn't afford one.  But we all looked normal and sharp.

We had a dress code - no ankle length black trench coats like the Columbine shooters wore would have been tolerated - you had to come to school shaven with a normal haircut, and boys had to wear a belt on their trousers.  Girls' skirts had to be no shorter than the middle of the knee.  Shorts were not allowed, even though obviously the old school had no A/C in the early 1960s.  We were taught to be normal.

We've just lost it as a society.  I was on our school board for one term 20 years ago when all of this diversity crap began.  The motto of our nation is E Pluribus Unum, which is translated One From Many - that's what the country used to be; one people with many roots.  Now, we celebrate diversity - what crap.  We are afraid to say Merry Christmas because someone might be offended at a heritage that made our country great but is now considered offensive.

That's why I REFUSE to use the words African American.  They spit in the face of the proud black people who work hard, raise good families, serve and die in our military - these folks are Americans without the need for an adjective.  I am not a Swiss American - I'm an American, plain and simple and so are my fellow citizens who just happen to have a different color skin.

So if we are ever to fix this, we first must fix society and get back to an appreciation of family, country, discipline, good order, pride in our country first, and another hundred qualities that we've lost.  It sickens me when some of our fellow on this forum insult our president, call him a criminal or an idiot, be he GWB or Obama - both of them, while miles apart politically, are good men who did, or are doing their best.  We have lost respect for the most basic of American values in the rush toward political correctness.

Sorry to preach, but you did ask.  I know of no simple one liner to fix this.


Alas, Jerry's spot on. Ever heard the old adage "Too mant rights mean no rights at all" ?
When my son was 6 I had to wrestle off his cold fingers the CDROM to "Grand Theft Auto" and prove him, playing the game, what he was actually doing, was rehearsing and practicing to be a robber, hijacker and fiend. An assassin and cop-killer.

I'm sure that for every single white or grey-haired Savage rider there are a few hundred dozen crotch rocket riders whose previous vehicle was a skateboard.

I'd love to ride the US coast-to-coast, riding solo. I'd absolutely, positively love it.

It scares me to death to think that I can fall victing of a roadside shooting simply because I split lanes or stopped at the lights when turning right,
or talked back at the angry white 300 lb. mama on a pickup when she flips me the one-fingered salute.

From the point of view of a European ... THAT is how the world sees the US... unfortunately.

Sharpen up, shape up, or be prepared, it won't be nice, but someday, someone will march up to Capitol Hill and will tell the protesters
"I will fix things for you, and I will make America great again!" and they will all cheer and he'll win the elections with an 80% landslide.

It happened in Europe, alright. Three times.

Mussolini, Hitler, Franco, in that order.

And Fidel Castro in Cuba.

Sharpen up, shape up, or be prepared. Gun control by Federal Law would be a good start, whether you like it or not.

PS Anywhere in Europe, if you have a mentally ill living inhouse, you CANNOT have guns. So much for so much.
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Reply #35 - 12/15/12 at 15:26:02
 
... and how much more ridiculous would we look, if we armed all the teachers in schools?...

We are in a spiral of Catch-22... We all need guns to defend against guns, and more and bigger guns as more gun crimes happen...
It's a lot like everybody wanting a big, safe, SUV so we don't get crushed by some idiot in a big SUV...
Eventually we're all driving tanks with bazookas and machine guns,.. and we are as safe as Syria...

Escalation is not a solution... Huh...
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Reply #36 - 12/15/12 at 19:07:17
 
Only in America can gun ownership be a right and healthcare be a privilege.

...God bless America.
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Reply #37 - 12/15/12 at 19:27:59
 
"We are afraid to say Merry Christmas because someone might be offended at a heritage that made our country great but is now considered offensive."

Ah Jerry, you know that it is perfectly okay to say "Merry Christmas" to anyone. Liberal, conservative, Christian, Jew, Moslem, atheist...and you will be answered in kind with a warm and heartfelt greeting.

I am so sick and tired of all this divisive right-wing conservative, pot-stirring hyperbole about nonsense like this...."War on Christmas" indeed.

It's a little early Jerry, but a very Merry Christmas to you and yours. *Star


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Reply #38 - 12/16/12 at 05:28:43
 
I'd love to ride the US coast-to-coast, riding solo. I'd absolutely, positively love it.

It scares me to death to think that I can fall victing of a roadside shooting simply because I split lanes or stopped at the lights when turning right,
or talked back at the angry white 300 lb. mama on a pickup when she flips me the one-fingered salute.


The reality is Mpes, the situation you describe there is extremely rare and blown out of proportion when it does happen. The vast, vast majority of gun violence in the US is in inner city urban areas.

Talk to any of us before you came and in 15 minutes, you’d know where to avoid or at least think twice about. You should ride the US. It’s an absolutely beautiful and awe inspiring nation.  I knew a guy from Hungary who summed it up best when he said, in Europe for the most part, you go to see the cities. In the US, for the most part, you go to look at the scenery.

Now, you are correct, you don’t have this fear in Europe (yet anyway…) I was in your Italian town of Bergamo (home of the Lord’s Supper) for 2 days and walked around everywhere. I never one time felt fear no matter where I went. Other than not finding a lot of people who spoke English once you got off the beaten path (which is where I like to go,) I had a great time.

You can’t be quite so cavalier when wandering around a major US city because of race relations which you don’t have in Europe to any degree right now. However, you are beginning to get a taste of it in Paris.

If you came here and road coast to coast, I think you’d understand a little of why we put up with the things we do and why we are all so passionate (on both sides of the issue) when it comes to protecting what each of us sees as America.
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Reply #39 - 12/16/12 at 06:15:31
 
Star -

I used the Merry Christmas analogy to make a point, and it's no9t that there is a "war on Christmas".  Rather, my point is cohesiveness and oneness is being lost.

Our law firm uses a payroll service to do our payroll.  As managing partner, I get to go over there twice a month and pick up the checks for the entire office.  When I went Friday, the lady at the desk said the typical Happy Holidays to me, to which I smiled and replied, "Merry Christmas".  She smiled back , and said that she is not allowed to say that to guests in the office, as someone might be offended.

That's my point - we coddle this absurb notion that we should somehow celebrate diversity, rather than come together as ONE nation, ONE from many - the ideas that made us great once upon a time.  And, that one has a Christian heritage.  I'm certainly not asying that other faiths, or no faith, shouldn't be respected - I only disrespect one "faith", Satanism, as I view it as a very evil cult.  But absent that, I don't care what someone is.

But when in Rome, do as the Romans do.
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Reply #40 - 12/16/12 at 09:47:33
 
For us atheists,... Happy Holy-Days, or Merry Christ-Mass... are equivalent...  I don't see the beef for Christians... either is applicable...
I do suppose for Muslims or Jews,... a Christ-Mass is exclusive...

Jews seem open minded enough to accept things for what they're worth... and not take offense...  
Muslims are way too touchy...
... and Christians are overly whiny about their right to exclude...

As far as I'm concerned,... you can all just bicker amongst yourselves...

Go on about it too much,.. and Santa will leave a lump of coal your stocking...
Happy Festivus everyone... Grin...
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Reply #41 - 12/16/12 at 10:04:53
 
Does anyone really need a bushmaster/m16 with 30 round clips??? Unless you want to kill some first graders or shoot wolves or hogs from choppers......gun control is NOT the answer but 30-100 round clips or durms...why?  How many of those kids would be alive today if we had 10 round clips...a small price to pay for childrens lives!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I agree society is the problem, are there any games that are not about killing anymore?

When the greedy rich decided to ship good paying jobs overseas causing both parents to work was the beginning of the end for 2 parent familys and what we have today is the result.  This is America today and the forceable future folks......stay safe?  Shocked
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Reply #42 - 12/16/12 at 10:09:47
 
Drifter -

Sorry, but I know lots of families where both parents are employed, many of them in professions, who have wonderful families.

I don't know aobut your comment about greedy rich sending jobs overseas - both of my parents worked in the 1950s and1960s to barely make ends meet in our lower middle class family.  Long before any "job exporting".

Two of the female lawyers in my former firm are married to physicians - hardly the victims of job exporting.
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Reply #43 - 12/16/12 at 10:12:17
 
And for what it's worth, I do support the assault weapons ban.  It was interesting to me how the anti handgun crowd immediately jumped on this story, assuming that handguns were used to murder these people.

It sounds like Lanza's mother may have been a nut too - why in the world did she own all of these weapons?
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Reply #44 - 12/16/12 at 10:27:22
 
Drifter, they come in handy on the farm for feral pigs and coyotes, not by helicopter but while walking. They are pack/herd species that are doing a lot of damage to my gardens, orchards, deer herd, duck habitat, wild turkey flocks...

I do have a good number of guns here, each with a specialized purpose. No different to me switching from heavy centerfire to rimfire than if I was to switch from a framing/roofing hammer in favor of a trim/finish hammer. I don't mow my lawn with the 14' rough cut mower, I don't hunt deer with a .22 short. I could, but there are better tools for those tasks.

Colonel, you are more than welcome to come riding in TN. Just fly into Nashville or into Little Rock instead of Memphis. Memphis is NOT safe for tourists, hasn't been for a long time. Makes the criminals in DC, Chicago and Detroit look like rank amateurs.
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