Armed, trained security personnel in every school?

Medically rigorous method to screen for and profile psychologically such inherently dangerous individuals and thereby intercept them before the carnage?

Oh sure, and WHO is going to pay for all of this?... Yeah right (snort) the wingnuts are howling mad about ANY money being spent on health care of any kind.

These NRA talking points horsesh!t is stinking up the place.....

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Gun Deaths: A Familiar American Experience

Source ABC News

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In America, over one dozen guns are legally sold every minute of every day.

There are almost 300 million privately-owned firearms in this country — that’s almost enough to arm every man, woman and child — but while there is a gun in four out of every 10 of American homes, only a small percentage of owners have most of the weapons, with the average collection swelling in recent years to around seven guns per owner.

The Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence, a non-profit organization, points out that Americans still kill each other with guns at a level that is staggering compared to the rest of humanity.
A study in the Journal of  Trauma and Acute Care Surgery found that the gun murder rate in the U.S. is almost 20 times higher than the next 22 richest and most populous nations combined.

Among the world’s 23 wealthiest countries, 80 percent of all gun deaths are American deaths and 87 percent of all kids killed by guns are American kids.

But regardless, polls show that public attitudes don’t change, even after a mass slaughter like this. Forty-nine percent say it’s more important to protect gun rights while 45 percent favor tighter gun control.

But no one of any political stripe can denying the human cost of our collective trigger fingers.

According to the Children’s Defense Fund, in the 44 years since Bobby Kennedy and Martin Luther King were shot to death, bullets have ended the lives of more than one million people — including 12 in Aurora, Colo., who came together at midnight, just looking to cheer for a superhero, and 26 people, 20 of them little children in Newtown Conn. who were in kindergarten with their whole lives ahead of them.

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Every time a gun is used to kill an innocent human, it's murder. Every time a murder occurs, the blood is squarely on the hands of the NRA and its blind followers who cheer this madness and disavow any responsibility for their guns and the carnage they cause.

Yes, it is easy for "cold dead hands" lunatics to "dismiss (any) findings on their face," because they only care about their Goddam*ed guns, and their pathetic 2nd Amendment so-called right to pollute our society with 300 million fu*king guns and the highest gun death rate in the world.

Jerry Eichenberger wrote on 12/29/12 at 14:36:54:


Yea there is a lot of low life on low life murders enabled by guns. There are also a lot of suicides by gun. Those 2 are categories I can say are where guns are only incidental. If not a gun, they would hang themsleves, or stab each other.

This year 2012 there have been 280 some, 2011 was almost as much that fit the profile of the current sandy hook/Webster (not our webstermark But a town called webster) murders.

There is a site to get that info - I heard it friday on npr.

Cool.
Srinath.

On Sunday December 17, 2012, 2 days after the CT shooting, a man went to a restaurant in San Antonio to kill his X-girlfriend. After he shot her, most of the people in the restaurant fled next door to a theater. The gunman followed them and entered the theater so he could shoot more people. He started shooting and people in the theater started running and screaming. It’s like the Aurora, CO theater story plus a restaurant!

Now aren’t you wondering why this isn’t a lead story in the national media along with the school shooting?

There was an off duty county deputy at the theater. SHE pulled out her gun and shot the man 4 times before he had a chance to kill anyone. So since this story makes the point that the best thing to stop a bad person with a gun is a good person with a gun, the media is treating it like it never happened.

Only the local media covered it. The city is giving her a medal next week.

& What is it that a Gyro Does? It spins Fast & maintains a steady course,, & Youre makin their heads spin with FACTS & stayin Right on course,, way to Gyro.

Midnightrider wrote on 12/29/12 at 21:11:23:



While I don't disagree we should protect all our schools,.. cost is always an issue.  
-- We have only a given amount of money, and we already spend more than we take in.  
-- We need to stop overspending in stupid areas like congressional pay raises, the Wookie's staff and vacations, gun registration schemes, research on frog mating habits, subsidies for corn gas, fancy shopping areas for the military, the SCHLIB's golf expenses, etc.  
-- If we'd cut the Wookie's staff down to the size of Laura Bush's staff, that alone would fund a few hundred armed guards.

The other issue is about using the military for civilian purposes.  
-- The founding fathers had a genuine and grave concern about having the military exert any force in civilian issues.  
-- While it seems to make sense to have a Marine kill a school shooter, we must be very very careful about the slippery slope.  
     --- We have lots of laws, posse comitatus for example, that forbid using the military for even doing things like preventing illegal immigration.  
     --- Anytime you put a military person in the position of shooting a non-military person who is guilty of only civil crime, we bump up against our long-held beliefs about keeping the military out of civilian matters.  
-- I'm not saying we shouldn't look into it, I'm just saying it will be very very difficult to redo the laws to allow military people to shoot civilian citizens.  AND,... if we do that, where do you draw the line on what kind of civilian situations a Marine is allowed to handle?  This would be very hard to define, and would put a Marine's life and/or career in jeopardy if in the two seconds he has to make a life/death decision he makes a completely understandable, but incorrect, choice.

Yea yea yea gyro, excellent points ... so good guys should have guns, and bad guys should not ... how do you propose we do that ?

Full blown backgorund checks and psych tests etc etc ?

Or something else ?

Cool.
Srinath.

srinath wrote on 12/30/12 at 10:09:13:



One of the realities of the cold, cruel, world is that the bad guys ALWAYS have guns.  
-- We would like for them to not have guns, and they are not allowed to have guns.  They say, "So frackin' what??!!"  They are going to break the law anyway, so having a gun to better their chances of being successful completely ignores any gun-related laws.  
-- More restrictive gun laws don't restrict these folks at all.  This is the point the libs never understand.  Write another law making it harder to get a gun,... who is affected by that law?,... not the bad guy,... only the guy that tends to obey laws (the same guy that would never use a gun for evil anyway)

The key is to dissuade them from committing crimes.  If they begin to think the good guys getting better armed, they don't like that at all.  The crime rate goes down.
-- Look at what happened in 1974 when Albuquerque police went on strike.  The crime rate went down because as one of the few burglars apprehended during the strike exclaimed,"the f***ing civilians got their guns out, man!!!"  They were dissuaded because they feared getting shot,... by folks like the 75 year old Grandma antique store owner who pulled a gun on them as they were holding her up, trembling so much from fear, the bad guys ran away simply from seeing the loaded cocked S&W waggling all over the place but generally pointed in their direction.
-- Look what happened in Florida when the concealed carry laws and castle doctrine laws became a reality.  The breakins, burglaries, muggings, hold-ups, etc., plummeted.  This is NOT what the libs claimed (blood in the streets !!!) would happen.
-- Look what happens in any American town when gun laws are changed to make it easier and more effective for law-abiders like you and me to have guns.  The violent crime rate always,... always goes down.

I'm in favor of instant background checks.  I don't even mind it if personal sales involve background checks PROVIDED THE SELLER CAN CAN DO IT INSTANTLY AND FOR FREE.  
-- I sell a gun every now and then, and I do care that I am not selling it to a wacko.
-- What worries me here, though, is that the SCHLIB and his lackeys will use the background check thing as a way to make it harder for law-abiders to buy and sell guns.  While the intent is good, there are always ways for bureacrats to warp the system to make it do things it was not supposed to do.

Concerning Gyro's Soles posting.

This is an old story. Incidently I don't see any evidence in that article that he was anti gun. It was a story in NC for his being anti gay but gay himself.

According to snopes.com. Soles had very high ratings from the NRA.

NRA scores for the senator

1998 B
2000 B
2002 B+
2004 B+
2004 A
2006 A
2008 A

So the NRA give the most anti-gun senator an A rating and the guy turns out to be an NRA favorite.

(Anti-gun or not Mr. Soles was indeed a hypocritical lier on certian other matters. No doubt about that.)

So draw your own conclusions concerning Soles.