Ed L. wrote on 12/22/12 at 13:13:14:

Walmarts have plainclothes conceal carrying off duty and retired LEO's. The Local grocery store where I shop keeps a plainclothes officer on duty. You are being watched and protected, you're just not aware of it. My phone has rung off the hook since my wife retired, business seeking security and protection want her to go to work for them. She is going to work for Wake Forest University the first of the year, plainclothes and concealed. Most universities since the Virginia massacre have upped and armed their security. Most major high volume businesses have LEO's gaurding you and the store, you're just not aware of it.

WebsterMark wrote on 12/22/12 at 16:33:36:

Crazy people and criminals. The dopers would sell theirs for drugs and steal more guns . I'm for cetain types of gun control but I still believe gun ownership is a right. There's a lot of law abiding citizens like me that would hang on their guns. I should have the right to protect myself and my family. With the economy and the goverment in an uproar these are desperate times. The only way I would get rid of one of my guns is to trade it for another. I'm for phycological testing and a doctors signature as a requirement for gun ownership. Check out my thread, all the mass murderers were on some kind of mind altering drug or drugs. No one in their right mind would massacre innocents and modern medicine has ways to detect troubled individuals. Disarm and ban these mentally ill individuals from purchasing firearms would be a great start. Its a doctors duty to incarcerate people who are a danger to themselves and others. They should start doing their job.

should we not also ban them from households that include a whacko

Good point. Here’s a counter to consider. St. Louis had a tornado New Year’s day a couple years ago; 70 houses not far from were me destroyed or damaged. Neighborhood evacuated. Immediately afterwards, they caught looters who came to steal what they could because the houses were unprotected. Right after Sandy, NJ police caught looters. Always happens.

Remember the movie Paper Moon with Ryan O’Neil? His character looked in the obits and ran his cons on houses he knew where an man had just passed away figuring a lonely widow would be left. That’s what thieves do, don’t they? Target the weaker person when ever possible?

If I’m walking down one side of the street and someone who doesn’t appear to be in as good of shape is on the other, who do you think a thief targets? So, two questions: do thieves take into account the likelihood of guns in the house while casing and two, if so, wouldn’t they immediately target households they know with autistic children for example figuring that no one will be armed?

  These people are insane, their thinking does not mimick ours, it is off the charts insane.. I guess the question is, do we want to admit to our insanity, to the crazies among us, find them help, commit them, and prevent them form hurting others? Or do we want to just turn this nation into the wild west all over again, everybody packing, with the insane, paranoid, delusional, all having weapons of mass destruction at their fingertips...

 Good guys, bad guys, the line is very blurry here, I would say the bad guys are anyone who thinks that more guns is the only answer.. Back in Dodge City the Marshall took the cowpokes guns away, the town turned into a law abidin city.. They recognized that a drunk with a gun was dangerous, we can't even admit to a crazy person with a gun is dangerous... Our answer is more guns, easier to kill the crazy people.. .

A few years ago I read a book about the Krupp empire founded in the late 1800's . The entire fortune of the Krupps was founded in the sale of arms and steel to the countries of Europe. One country would buy a tank that was top of the line and then a new type of armor piercing shell would be developed that would make that tank obsolete. Every new shell or armor that the Krupps developed was made obsolete within 2-3 years by advancements made by industrial giant of the Krupps. This cause rampant paranoia and a lot of money for the Krupp empire. The final ending was WW1. It is a shame but it seems that the same thing is occuring here in America. Instead of countries being caught up in an arms race we have individual citizens caught up the exact same thing. If you want to spend the money it is possible to go out and buy a .50 caliber sniper rifle. Who the He11 needs a .50 caliber sniper rifle in real life just like who needs a 50 round magazine in real life?? I've fired 30 and 50 round magazines and they are a lot of fun but for hunting I was always taught that one shot is all that is needed. The good old boys I used to hunt with in New England didn't allow semi automatic rifles in the preserve, just bolt or pump actions.
 I'm expecting to see regulations on ammo purchase coming down the pike. There are two many guns to regulate and there are a lot that are hidden from the government. The only expendable when it comes to firearms would be ammo, regulate ammo sales and over the course of time the high capacity magazines would become too expensive to operate. Gun buybacks won't work, who wants a $50.00 gift card for a $1000.00 assault rifle which you named after your mother?
 I agree with Star that gun ownership has become a sickness in the US. People have gone on for years with owning a gun but as soon as the rumor gets out that they won't be able to buy one they have to go out and buy two!! Gun sales have been up in my area by 50-60%, one local store sold over 30 asault the weekend after the shooting, that was more than what they averaged per month.
  I have a feeling that we all are sitting on a powder keg with all the firearms being sold and just hope that the history leading up to WW1 isn't being repeated at a individual level.  
  Peace and sane thinking will be hard to achieve in the new year.

Tolerance of "gun nuts" is coming to an end.  People who own these weapons, these high-capacity magazines, this "special" ammunition...you are starting to be viewed more and more like the people who have kiddie porn. No one is buying your "defense of freedom" bullsh!t any more. No one thinks you are cool.

Midnight; did the doctor in the article you cited give specific evidence what lead him to believe Lanza was molested”?

And I love your chopper analogy! I stopped in orange chopper, the reality tv show place a few times. I had a customer in Newburgh, NY and they were ½ mile away or so. Half the people in their buying stuff wouldn’t know how to ride a bike if their life depended on it! I’m looking for a new bike online and 75% are Harley’s with a few thousand miles on them. Midlife crisis hits, guy gets a tattoo, beard, a costume of leather (vest and chaps maybe), runs down to his local Harley shop and drops 15 grand on what is essentially a dust collector in his garage.

And Star; you and I are gun nuts to some. I have 3 guns and I believe you have at least 1. To many people, the guns we have are completely unnecessary.  I don’t think the idea that ‘gun nuts’ equate to kiddie porn is going to take off.

I believe Adam Lanza was sexually molested as a child. Maybe his mother seperated from her husband to stop it. Maybe it went on for years and she turned her back until one day she could no longer take it. She barricaded her house and bought the guns, she took Adam to the shooting range so he could prevent any more molestation. He had his brothers ID which according to the media he hadnt seen in two years. Was his brother in on the molesting. When Adam Lanza went into that school he wasnt murdering those children. He was preventing those children from having to experience the living hell he had to go through. He killed his mother for allowing it to happen.