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Re: Why get a 36mm carb instead of a 40mm?
Reply #15 - 11/09/12 at 09:33:23
 
Cavi Mike wrote on 11/09/12 at 08:44:02:
I'm not willing to spend $100 on something that I know I'm going to want to change out shortly - it's not like I can get that money back. I also want a flat-slide. Most likely I'm going to get the TM40-6 pumper and start saving for Lancer's 97mm bore kit and cam.


What's the advantage of a flat slide?
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Re: Why get a 36mm carb instead of a 40mm?
Reply #16 - 11/09/12 at 10:04:24
 
Better flow thru the venturi.
similar to adding the uniflo to the VM
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Re: Why get a 36mm carb instead of a 40mm?
Reply #17 - 11/09/12 at 11:54:56
 
verslagen1 wrote on 11/09/12 at 10:04:24:
Better flow thru the venturi.
similar to adding the uniflo to the VM



Okay,.. I'll accept better flow through the venturi.  What difference would that make?  

Would swapping out a stock CV Savage carb for a properly sized flat slide carb give any of these things?
-- more power
-- more responsiveness
-- better mileage for a given amount of power
-- lowered operating expense
-- less backfiring, popping, etc.
-- longer engine life
-- neater sound from the intake side of the engine
-- better looking engine
-- cool factor when hanging out
-- more reliability

If a few or several of those factors listed above happen when switching to a flat slide carb, I'll try it.
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Re: Why get a 36mm carb instead of a 40mm?
Reply #18 - 11/09/12 at 12:04:32
 
-- more power=captain?
-- more responsiveness=anythings better than the cv
-- better mileage for a given amount of power=you want more power or what?
-- lowered operating expense=mpg?
-- less backfiring, popping, etc.=fuel map you want?
-- longer engine life=think natural gas
-- neater sound from the intake side of the engine=the unmuffled sounds of a savage heart
-- better looking engine=what? you don't think 10 miles of ducting look cool?
-- cool factor when hanging out = you wanna go fast or talk fast?
-- more reliability = think natural gas, how cool would a nat. gas tank look?
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Re: Why get a 36mm carb instead of a 40mm?
Reply #19 - 11/09/12 at 12:12:30
 
verslagen1 wrote on 11/09/12 at 10:04:24:
Better flow thru the venturi.
similar to adding the uniflo to the VM



A 36mm VM with the UFO installed will outflow a 36mm TM in the low and midrange, making more power, and equal the TM in the high range.
It does take some time and effort to get it dialed in correctly but the result is worth it.
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Re: Why get a 36mm carb instead of a 40mm?
Reply #20 - 11/10/12 at 19:41:13
 
if you are going with a tm40-6, which i recall is a harley carb, you will need to change the ap nozzle jet to around a #40 or 45. thats about 1/2 the size of the nozzle jet for the harley. if i recall the slow jet is about right to start with and a main around 150 is good starting point. you need a smaller intake boot to fit the carb to engine and the air filter side does not fit the stock intake hose. details!
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Re: Why get a 36mm carb instead of a 40mm?
Reply #21 - 11/10/12 at 19:57:45
 
so my question would be:

I have a 86 650; all stock.  I want to add a slightly better flowing / slightly louder muffler.  In addition, Im thinking of tossing the stock carb.

Without modifying any internals. what is the best bolt on spec. carb for smooth running and slightly better performance.  

Please specify the carb and jetting please.  thanks
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Re: Why get a 36mm carb instead of a 40mm?
Reply #22 - 11/10/12 at 21:06:03
 
Im not tryin to lower the boom on ya here, but, th way Im readin your post, youre actually wanting more than you realize. Its just not that easy, to just spit out a carb & the jetting, even IF someone knew exactly what exhaust you want & what elevation you live at,

Its more of a "Change this, create a bit of a jetting issue, chase it down & solve it" kinda thing,,,

M<aybe someone will come along & kikk me to the curb, I could be wrong,, hang around & wait on the smart guys.,.
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Re: Why get a 36mm carb instead of a 40mm?
Reply #23 - 11/11/12 at 21:35:41
 
dr1445 wrote on 11/10/12 at 19:41:13:
if you are going with a tm40-6, which i recall is a harley carb

Mikuni is not made by Harley, it's made by Mikuni. At best - the HS40 is a licensed copy that Harley produces and puts on their bikes but the TM40 is a Mikuni carb through and through and they're made in Japan.
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Re: Why get a 36mm carb instead of a 40mm?
Reply #24 - 11/12/12 at 02:42:32
 
The TM 40 WAS one of the primary after market carbs used on Harleys when the stock carbs were replaced.  Now days the MARKETING  is for the newer 42, 45 & 48mm versions.  Why ?  Because they sell for more $$ and because the engines keep getting bigger.
The TM 40 can certainly be made to work on the LS650 engine, it has been done before, but the throat size will result in poorer performance vs a 36mm VM or Amal or Keihin or TM because of slower air velocity in the throat.
If you swap the stock carb for a performance carb then go with a 36mm, it is the best size for this engine.  It just WORKS.  In any state of tune from stock to max mod that is still STREETABLE, it is the best size carb for best performance for this engine.  
I choose the 36mm VM for the Performance Carburetor Kits because it was the best bang for the buck, parts and jets are plentiful/available, and our engine likes it.  The Mikuni VM is the most popular performance carb in the world for single cylinder engines, both 2 &4 stroke.
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Re: Why get a 36mm carb instead of a 40mm?
Reply #25 - 07/27/19 at 13:39:11
 
Maybe a little bit off topic, but what would happen if you put a smaller VM than the 36 on a 650cc Savage? Like a VM34 or even VM32?
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Re: Why get a 36mm carb instead of a 40mm?
Reply #26 - 07/27/19 at 13:52:55
 
RocketScienceSmurf wrote on 07/27/19 at 13:39:11:
Maybe a little bit off topic, but what would happen if you put a smaller VM than the 36 on a 650cc Savage? Like a VM34 or even VM32?



A 34mm VM will work fine on a stock engine and would perform very well in the low-mid range, high range not so much.  I would not go smaller than a 34mm though, i think a 32 is just too small.  I’ve never tried to run one so cannot say for sure.
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Re: Why get a 36mm carb instead of a 40mm?
Reply #27 - 07/27/19 at 21:33:34
 
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Who said I want to go fast? You said that, not me. Just because one isn't looking for speed doesn't mean they should put a small carb on their bike.
Cavi,
     I got it!  Your putting a larger carb on it and talking to Lancer about 97mm pistons because your NOT looking for speed - makes perfect sense to  me. Roll Eyes
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Re: Why get a 36mm carb instead of a 40mm?
Reply #28 - 07/28/19 at 06:34:18
 
It seems like if you go too small with a carb you still have a lot to work with, but if you go too big you might end up with a big fat zero. If the carb has a accelerator pump you may be able to hide low end response problems , but that's really not tuning.
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Re: Why get a 36mm carb instead of a 40mm?
Reply #29 - 07/28/19 at 11:08:38
 
With the type of engine that we have, a slow turning single, it does not respond quickly when the throttle is turned anyway so what’s the point of having an accelerator pump ?  At one time I had a 36mm TM on my engine but removed it because it just did not add anything useful in my opinion.  There is a very slight pause with the VM if you go WOT instantly, but but as mentioned the engine just does not respond quickly anyway.  With a little practice when you install a VM it is easy to get a pretty darn quick response.
This is assuming you are talking about going from idle to WOT, but after that there is virtually no difference between a VM & TM on the road.
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