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TG YaBB Newbies Offline 3600 miles Posts: 18 Utah Gender:	Re: RECOMMENDED OILS AND BOOSTERS Reply #270 - 06/25/13 at 19:39:33 Just ordered redline oil additive on amazon for $16.95 with free 2 day shipping! Thanks for the timely info once again!
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Reply #271 - 06/27/13 at 08:50:18

Roberto1444 wrote on 06/18/13 at 18:16:28:

Oops, forgot to thank you, TiMec, for your kind response.
Cheers,
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Sorry for the taking so long to get back to you, but i've been quite busy and haven't had the time to come to the forum.

I'll find you some more info on the subject and get back to you, I promise to add some facts from reliable sources, just give some time.

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Reply #272 - 06/27/13 at 10:30:51

TG wrote on 06/25/13 at 17:47:48:

I have searched before I am posting this question about oil.....I promise.

I already purchased some oil before reading about Rotella. I just want to see if what I have is bad enough to return since I haven't opened it yet. I also researched online adn couldn't find significant enough info about this product. I paid $3.98 per quart at Walmart.

Here is the link to see exactly what I bought:

http://www.valvoline.com/products/consumer-products/motor-oil/motorcycle-atv-...

INFO SHEET ONLINE - (I don't understand it all)
Valvoline 4-Stroke Motorcycle Oil advantages:
• High RPM, High Temperature Performance
• Wet Clutch Protection
• Maximum Horsepower
• Minimal Wear
• Advanced Cleaning
• Shear Stability
• Film Strength
• Excellent Corrosion Protection
• Meets or exceeds manufacturer’s warranty requirements
• Provides exceptional protection for ATVs
• For use in 4-Stroke Motorcycles, including Cruisers and Off-Road

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Approvals/Performance Levels Viscosity Grade/Other
Meets or Exceeds API SF/SG/SJ SAE 10W-40, SAE 20W-50
Meets or Exceeds JASO MA2 SAE 10W-40, SAE 20W-50

Test SAE 10W-40 SAE 20W-50
Vis @ 100°C (cSt) 15.2 20.0
Vis @ 40°C (cSt) 104.1 169.4
Viscosity Index 155 124
Spec Gravity @ 60°F 0.8732 0.8848
Density (lbs/gal) 7.28 7.38
Total Base No. 8 8
Flash COC (°C) 216 230
Pour Point (°C) max -30 -24
CCS cP (°C) 6200(-250
C) 8400(-15
0
C)
MRV TP-1 cP (°C) 38000(-300
C) 28000(-20
0
C)

Noack % off @ 250°C 15.0 7.3

Sulfated Ash, wt.% 0.80 0.80

Zinc/Phosphorus, wt.% 0.112/0.103 0.112/0.103

Calcium/Sodium, wt.% 0.182/0.052 0.182/0.052

Part Numbers
Quart 740(for SAE 10W40)
Quart 743(for SAE 20W50)

Should I return this product or use it until I am out? I am picking up some redline today. Should I mix a little of that in? And how much? Thanks for any help!

Acording to what you posted the oil you bought contains a max of 1120ppm and a min of 1030ppm of ZDDP.

Zinc/Phosphorus, wt.% 0.112/0.103 0.112/0.103

In my opinion, I don't think you need to add any ZDDP booster.

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TG YaBB Newbies Offline 3600 miles Posts: 18 Utah Gender:	Re: RECOMMENDED OILS AND BOOSTERS Reply #273 - 06/28/13 at 06:24:08 Thanks TiMec for helping make sense of all this info! I am glad that my choice in oil wasn't that bad.
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Reply #274 - 06/29/13 at 05:58:45

Oh my goodness, yet another case of green newbies helping other newbies by sharing their "opinions" on a topic that actually references the source material that could be read by both parties. And of both of them being wrong.

(or you could actually go to the Tech Section and read the actual main post)

1100 ppm ZDDP isn't enough. Most here bump the 1250 ppm Rotella products up towards 1350 to 1800 ppm zone to make sure they get maximum tappet and cam lobe life. Most us the recommended boosters and the booster table to do it. That is what it is there for.

But this is America, it's your bike -- feed it what you want to. If you use it long term, just don't cry when your tappy tappy tappy starts ....

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Now, what part of (taken directly from "Things every Savage newb should know" which is at the top of Rubber Side Down) don't you guys understand?

ZDDP amounts in your oil is important to our Savage engine
(most modern bike oils do not have enough).

We have to bump our oils with ZDDP booster to get up to the right amounts.

Recommended oils listing: http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1344471565

Booster blend table: http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1345080430

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Reply #275 - 06/29/13 at 17:53:25

Thanks Oldfeller! It was after reading all the charts, every post (and even the crazy argument with Bill), and not finding the oil I had already purchased on any list in this forum that I asked my question about my particular oil that I want to salvage until I can get some rotella. I also, in a previous post, mentioned that I bought redline to add to my oil. TiMec just helped me make sense of all the abbreviations and puctuations and decimal points. I now know that I can follow the chart that Boule'tard posted (which is saved in my favorites for quick reference) and even add a little more per gallon. I was glad to know that I didn't make a terrible choice with no ZDDP or something - I am notorious for searching for a very long time, debating, hemming and hawing, and then purchasing, just to find out that I bought the wrong thing (case in point: petcock Embarrassed

). For once, I didn't make an unsalvagable choice

I actually appreciate your frustration. It shows how passionate you are about these awesome bikes. I find it funny how many different spots you can find q&a's about jetting. I think Lancer has alone answered that question about a thousand times, and sometimes in the same thread

I want to do the best for my bike and I am not going to assume I am doing the best until I have consulted the forum. And that is why I appreciate your input and value it. Don't give up on us NOOBS.

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Reply #276 - 07/18/13 at 09:15:42

Has anyone had any experience with the following product in Suzuki LS 650 ? It is a zinc additive that I can purchase locally and comes highly recommended by the folks running older high performance (flat tappet) engines in cars, but they are not running any motor cycles in that group. I have not tried it yet, as I am a little concerned about the wet clutch applications in our bikes.

Web Page for the product :

http://www.hyperlube.com/Zinc-Replacement-Additive-c7.html

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Reply #277 - 07/18/13 at 10:37:27

Grayowl wrote on 07/18/13 at 09:15:42:

Has anyone had any experience with the following product in Suzuki LS 650 ? It is a zinc additive that I can purchase locally and comes highly recommended by the folks running older high performance (flat tappet) engines in cars, but they are not running any motor cycles in that group. I have not tried it yet, as I am a little concerned about the wet clutch applications in our bikes.

Web Page for the product :

http://www.hyperlube.com/Zinc-Replacement-Additive-c7.html

I emailed the mfr. and asked. They got back to me in less than an hour. Here's the answer:

Quote:

Richard-

Thanks for the email. We do not recommend using the Zinc RA in wet clutch systems. Yes it could cause slipping.

John Latousek

Hy-Per Lube Corporation

900 1st Avenue S, Suite 200

Seattle, WA 98134

(206) 381-3535 Fax (206) 381-3550

I specifically asked about unit construction motorcyle engines with wet clutches.

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Reply #278 - 07/18/13 at 11:29:00

I had sent them an email before posting the one I did. I still have not heard back from them, but that is kind of what I was afraid of with the wet clutch. You must have caught the right guys at the right time to get the reply that quick. Just got the same basic reply you got on the additive from the sales group. Well know we know for sure.

OldNSlow -Thanks for the checking you did I use appreciate it.

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Reply #279 - 08/14/13 at 08:52:11

Sorry to bring this up again, I just couldn't sift through 19 pages of the section.

What I got from first 5 pages I've skimmed through, recommended oils are

Dino -- Rotella T Triple Protection 15W40

Synthetic -- Rotella T-6 5W40

Redline 10W40 Motorcycle Oil (on Amazon?)

There are also ALOT of technical discussion on ZDDP and ppm (which I have NO idea how to comprehend lol Tongue

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So I guess to this newb - what should I use (as simple as possible). Any of those 3 oil listings NOT require mixutre of additive? If not that's fine I found the post about mixture ratio.

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Oldfeller--FSO Serious Thumper ModSquad Offline Hobby is now "concentrated neuropany" Posts: 12671 Fayetteville, NC Gender:	Re: RECOMMENDED OILS AND BOOSTERS Reply #280 - 08/14/13 at 09:05:57 The Redline requires no booster -- it has more than ample enough as is.
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ylwf3vr Full Member Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 160 Oahu, Hawaii	Re: RECOMMENDED OILS AND BOOSTERS Reply #281 - 08/14/13 at 09:14:01 Oldfeller--FSO wrote on 08/14/13 at 09:05:57: The Redline requires no booster -- it has more than ample enough as is. Great - short and sweet answer thank you. And I've read the specs are about 2 Qts?
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Reply #282 - 08/14/13 at 18:31:58

Oldfeller--FSO wrote on 08/14/13 at 09:05:57:

The Redline requires no booster -- it has more than ample enough as is.

So the shop I have my bike at only has 15W40 Silkolene, 10W40 Castrol, 10W40 Royal Purple Amsoil. Should I trust any of these or just change it myself? I told him to just do it since it was in there but after reading some posts and ordering the Redline from Amazon, I might just do it. Thoughts?

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Stealthmobile YaBB Newbies Offline Play the grey! Posts: 19 whitehorse, yukon, canada Gender:	Re: RECOMMENDED OILS AND BOOSTERS Reply #283 - 08/14/13 at 20:05:44 I had bought the same stuff as Grayowl and was going to mix it into 5 liters of oil when I read this. Was wondering about it and now can return to the local Canadian Tire. Thanks
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Reply #284 - 08/15/13 at 18:11:44

How exactly does clutch slip manifest itself? I'm thinking one thing but I could be wrong.

Grayowl wrote on 07/18/13 at 09:15:42:

Has anyone had any experience with the following product in Suzuki LS 650 ? It is a zinc additive that I can purchase locally and comes highly recommended by the folks running older high performance (flat tappet) engines in cars, but they are not running any motor cycles in that group. I have not tried it yet, as I am a little concerned about the wet clutch applications in our bikes.

Web Page for the product :

http://www.hyperlube.com/Zinc-Replacement-Additive-c7.html

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