Well, heck -- get you some Rotella T-6 and bump it and use that jug for your diesel car and your Savage.

Bumping is sorta addictive, I still think a stock Savage can live on straight T-6 (or T if you like dino oils) but if I am gonna bump I might as well hit the 1,550 to 1,650 bump band and be "plenty safe".

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fair warning  --  when they force HDEOs to drop ZDDP levels again lots and lots of bikers and truckers are all gonna be really really pissed off at our government.   This is money exiting our pockets, and it is STUPID to boot.

I just stopped in to visit the local Suzuki - Kawasaki dealership. While there I briefly glanced at the oils on display. There were both Suzuki and Kawasaki branded 10W-40 conventional oils, and both claimed to meet both MA and MA-2 specs. I didn't think to look for other ratings. Nor did I look at semi-synthetics or full synthetics.

By the way, for those wondering where all the S40s are, he has a 2011 S40 on the floor, new, with 6 miles showing. The engine has no black treatments whatever.

Here it is .....  in all of it's conflicting glory

http://www.jalos.or.jp/onfile/pdf/4T_EV1105.pdf

 
Watch out when they chain the API specs, the latest one listed controls the ZDDP shooting match.

SJ and later are equal to or less than 1,000 ppm.  SJ was the first API spec to list a maximum ZDDP number, the first spec to give a range (min and max) was SL and that was a very low 600 to 800 ppm range.

SF, SG, and SH have no ZDDP minimum number as part of their spec.   Nobody had even thought about putting in less ZDDP back then and large numbers of were expected back in the day when those specs were current.  Nobody worried much about cat converters, either as they died way early anyway.   There wasn't any strict yearly tail pipe testing either.  

You may have visions of 1,400 ppm dancing around in your head, but the bike oil vendors are actually giving you 800 to 1,100 ppm off the old obsolete SF, SG and SH grades.   No minimum number provided in the spec, remember?

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If API grades control the ZDDP you got trouble because folks like Lucas are claiming the earlier grades but by recent VOA are only providing 800 ppm of ZDDP.   Remember, no minimum numbers in the old specs .....

So, you got a range of 800-1,200 by API spec and quite a few vendors who are providing you the small end of that range for fear of buying some bike cat converters along the way.

We here on the list are providing ourselves a more head functional 1,200 to 1,850 by bumping.

We have listed the very few JASO clutch tested oils that give 1,200 and up in our recommended listing.   We have also listed the clutch friendly ZDDP boosters that are currently available.

Looks like other than posting Boule's mix spreadsheet we are about done with the oils for awhile -- oil and the life of the bike's top end is on you now, Savage owner -- you have to either search out good enough oils or else bump some up yourself.

This current oil reformulation mess isn't over yet -- it will get worse as more cat converter equipped fuel injected bikes hit the showrooms.

 
I'm waiting fer Boule's spreadsheet to make sure I'm a doing her right.

No, I bumped when the cam was new, and have pretty much backed off lately (although I may start up again as 1,200 ppm sounds pretty low right about now)

Well, at the risk of really muddying the waters.... Have you seen the other 4oz bottle of zddp for sale on ebay?  zddpmaxx. I cannot find any specs let alone a PDS. The website for the company selling it is "zddpus.com" Bottle looks just like zddplus. Can't help but wonder if This guy/company talked Eastwood into bottling their product under his label. At any rate, it sells for $7.49 shipped for (1) 4oz bottle. Couldn't help myself. I bought one, should be in thursday. Maybe there will be more info on the bottle.  

Boule’tard wrote on 08/14/12 at 16:37:32:

Never mind, I got density from the MSDS.