Just tried it with his starter again still same Oh and i have figured out how to use multimeter 12.89v battery after charge

Thank you i am so glad you guys on here can help This is the battery reading from overnight charge brand new maintanance free Please bare with me electrics are not my subject car body repairer yes 29yrs macanics yes ok at that Trying to learn please It is defo reading12.89 v

mmg123 wrote on 08/13/12 at 07:49:55:

That is ok using quality 4-6 ga cables. But the average jumpers use 12 ga cable, which going thru 6-12ft length can drop voltage, possibly to the point of not not being adequate to start the Savage.

If you come to a defininte conclusion as to what is causing the slow cranking, please let us know. So far, I'm not sure you have found the problem. You are going to have to do some "load testing", including your new battery.

mmg123 wrote on 08/13/12 at 04:43:29:


Ok mmg123, Routy is right when he says you can't definitely rule out the starter by testing it without a load, but, since two starters (one of them a known good starter) did the same thing, I would be inclined to rule out the starter...for now. I need you to check the cam chain. Sounds to me like something is preventing the engine from turning over normally. How many miles on it? Pop off one of the valve inspection covers, then, on the left side engine cover there is a slotted plug remove that and use a 17 mm socket to turn the crankshaft and observe the valves and rocker arms to make sure they are moving when the engine turns over. The engine spun good with the spark plug out because there is no compression. But with the spark plug in, if the valves are not opening at the right time, or not at all the engine will turn REAL hard. Lets try and rule out the cam chain.

mmg123 wrote on 08/13/12 at 23:51:16:


Oh! Well that blows a hole in that theory. Ahhhh, just reread the beginning of this thread. Oh well, back to the drawing board.  

Ok guys took starter to be tested Man took it apart guess what the little bearing on top seized armitor checks ok brushes to new bearing fitted like new This sounds really weird my friend not happy put his starter back on same problem Oh dear took it off and took it with mine to the same man He opened it up what a mess checks out worse than mine friend said wish he hadnt let me try it now His brushes are worn and its really full of junk in there Man it will be ok cleaned and new brushes Pick them up in the morning let you guys know if this is for certain the problem

Wow,, what a hair puller! Take an item off a bike & swap , only to discover, its in bad shape, too, tho, it WAS working just fine? Im just amazed,,.& confused, & I Hope this is a problem solved,

You did a good thing taking the starter to be tested.. A very frustrating situation, fouled up more by 2 wimpy starters, &, to top it off, I dont recall ever finding a worn out starter on one of these,, busted teeth, yea, but the motor itself, brushes & bushings & bearings, Oh MY!