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Reply #15 - 12/30/10 at 13:35:06

WebsterMark wrote on 12/29/10 at 10:21:20:

Here’s an interesting thought to consider: it’s a fact that groups of bicycle riders who take up lane space and prevent cars from passing create animosity between some car drivers and the bicyclist. You have probably read stories about bicyclist getting run off the road intentionally etc…

Could loud pipes have a similar effect by creating animosity with some drivers (consciously or subconsciously) and negatively affecting the way they behave towards all motorcyclists?

Interesting point and I do agree that the whole loud pipe "biker image" does have certain stereotype that goes along with it. But I think helps us in a good way safety wise. I say this because not to long ago I had to ride a scooter for a few months as my only transportation. I was tailgated none stop and muscled off the round a few times. I ride the same way on a real bike and that does not happen. And I do believe it is because of the stereotype of the whole biker image. I am a very laid back person. But if they stop tailgating and pushing me off the road because they think I will smash their face if. I can live with that stereotype all day long.

Midnightrider- You are not old. This is Florida the place where old people come to die. It must be seen to be believed, a 90 something year old woman that need a walker to get around should not be on the road. But they are.

I see a few people have stated that a loud horn is of some use. I would have to agree. So we would agree that a loud audible device gets peoples attention. Then could one not argue that a constant loud audible device such as loud pipes could get their attention before said horn is needed? Thus avoiding having to use the horn in the first place?

I not sure I understand what is meant by sound going behind you. I hear bikes with loud pipes from behind all the way thu passing. I live on a busy road and hear it all the time. Maybe I am missing something.

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LostArtist Ex Member	Re: Just want to know what people are thinking Reply #16 - 12/30/10 at 14:20:03 maybe it's a speed thing, at a certain speed, by the time I hear a motorcycle it's already either beside me or past me, at freeway speeds maybe? over 50mph? idk, by the time I look for the noise it wouldn't have done the rider any good.
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LostArtist Ex Member	Re: Just want to know what people are thinking Reply #17 - 12/30/10 at 14:23:19 12 deadly safety myths of motorcyclists by Motorcycle Cruiser http://www.motorcyclecruiser.com/streetsurvival/dangerous_motorcycle_safety_m...
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Reply #18 - 12/30/10 at 15:08:24

I will say this in the motorists defence,Any cage driver who was a cyclist or motorcyclist will always be very considerate of them.
The problem is they don't know this.
I make a point of giving them more room than they need , at intersections I always give bikers the nod to go ahead, the main reason is because I want to look at the bike as it goes by Wink

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Ok,that and just because I'm a nice guy.

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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28787 L.A. California Gender:	Re: Just want to know what people are thinking Reply #19 - 12/30/10 at 15:56:19 LostArtist wrote on 12/30/10 at 14:23:19: 12 deadly safety myths of motorcyclists by Motorcycle Cruiser http://www.motorcyclecruiser.com/streetsurvival/dangerous_motorcycle_safety_m... Each one is true and false, if you relied on any one of them, you're dead. They should be taken with a pound of salt.
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Reply #20 - 12/30/10 at 16:20:26

verslagen1 wrote on 12/30/10 at 15:56:19:

LostArtist wrote on 12/30/10 at 14:23:19:

12 deadly safety myths of motorcyclists by Motorcycle Cruiser

http://www.motorcyclecruiser.com/streetsurvival/dangerous_motorcycle_safety_m...

Each one is true and false, if you relied on any one of them, you're dead.
They should be taken with a pound of salt.

I did not read the above ,but the rule I can relay after spending half my life on and around motorcles is KEEP YOUR DISTANCE, that will save you 95 % of the time. and to fast is the other.

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Reply #22 - 12/30/10 at 17:39:42

babyhog wrote on 12/30/10 at 16:31:43:

So when are you going to show the results of the poll?

I did not know I had to show the results? I thought you can see where it stands if you vote. Am I wrong? I am hoping for more people to take it.

I just looked and you are correct I need to end the poll to show the results. Only 30 votes have been cast. Keep it going?

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sluggo Serious Thumper ModSquad Offline big singles lead, twins follow the pack Posts: 4744 moses lake washington Gender:	Re: Just want to know what people are thinking Reply #23 - 12/30/10 at 17:47:53 if the pipes are to loud you the rider lose the ability to hear dangers presented. i spent time in the navy in the engine room i wore both ear plug and muffs. i was the first to notice when the sound of the equipment changed, signaling a potential failure.
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Reply #24 - 12/30/10 at 17:53:23

sluggo wrote on 12/30/10 at 17:47:53:

if the pipes are to loud you the rider lose the ability to hear dangers presented.

i spent time in the navy in the engine room i wore both ear plug and muffs. i was the first to notice when the sound of the equipment changed, signaling a potential failure.

I must say excellent point.

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mick Serious Thumper Alliance Member Offline Hell-bound Posts: 7323 Dayton Oregon Gender:	Re: Just want to know what people are thinking Reply #25 - 12/30/10 at 23:31:47 for the same reason I never have the radio on in my car.
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Reply #26 - 12/30/10 at 23:33:28

Dooley wrote on 12/30/10 at 17:53:23:

sluggo wrote on 12/30/10 at 17:47:53:

if the pipes are to loud you the rider lose the ability to hear dangers presented.

i spent time in the navy in the engine room i wore both ear plug and muffs. i was the first to notice when the sound of the equipment changed, signaling a potential failure.

I must say excellent point.

& I have not been able to get that thot to "gell" in my mind, but at a gut level, Ive known that. I know Ive hear things that made me look, even over the S/trapp w/ 14 disks.

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Dooley YaBB Newbies Offline Posts: 42 Palm Harbor, FL Gender:	Re: Just want to know what people are thinking Reply #27 - 12/31/10 at 13:27:37 I think all that would vote have so I will close the poll. Thanks all
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Reply #28 - 12/31/10 at 17:34:20

Dooley wrote on 12/30/10 at 17:53:23:

sluggo wrote on 12/30/10 at 17:47:53:

if the pipes are to loud you the rider lose the ability to hear dangers presented.

i spent time in the navy in the engine room i wore both ear plug and muffs. i was the first to notice when the sound of the equipment changed, signaling a potential failure.

I must say excellent point.

I have to agree also. I've worked in several steel mills, and ear plugs were mandatory. Without plugs, the noise was deafening, you couldn't hear anything. With them, you could carry on a conversation, hear stuff around you, etc. I wear the same earplugs on the bike with an open helmet, even now that I have a windshield (unless it's just a short hop of a couple miles), because while the wind noise may not seem that bad, the effects accumulate after a while. Not only does it damage your ears, but it wears you out faster, and fatigue can be deadly.

And I also agree, loud pipes are by no means a substitute for keeping your eyes open. That's still your best defense. But like a couple people stated, I'll take every advantage I can get to help people realize I'm there.

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Question: Loud pipes save lives?
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Yes 13 (36.1%) No 18 (50%) Undecided 5 (13.8%) Total votes: 36 « Created by: Dooley on: 12/29/10 at 07:03:17 »