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she ran perfect now she wont run at all!
12/15/10 at 17:35:44

my starter went out and while i was waiting for the new one to arrive in the mail i decided to try and install my chain conversion.

well i must have not flattened out the pulley nut enough because it wouldnt budge, but something inside the motor popped, like gear slippage.....and then the new starter came and she wouldnt start.

i suspected the timing was off so i retimed it.......3 times and when spraying starting fluid right into the intake i get nothing.

its sucking in through the carb and breathing mist out of the exhaust and i have spark. i cant for the life of me figure out whats wrong, any suggestions?

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: she ran perfect now she wont run at all! Reply #1 - 12/15/10 at 18:37:54 When you try to start it, does it sound like its turning over real easy? Mite wanna check compression..
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Ben Jones YaBB Newbies Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 26	Re: she ran perfect now she wont run at all! Reply #2 - 12/15/10 at 18:44:18 justin_o_guy2 wrote on 12/15/10 at 18:37:54: When you try to start it, does it sound like its turning over real easy? Mite wanna check compression.. It turns over like normal. I was going to test compression but it was running fine.
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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28884 L.A. California Gender:	Re: she ran perfect now she wont run at all! Reply #3 - 12/15/10 at 18:50:19 Give us the run down on what you've been working on since it's been running fine.
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Reply #4 - 12/15/10 at 19:14:46

verslagen1 wrote on 12/15/10 at 18:50:19:

Give us the run down on what you've been working on since it's been running fine.

Just the chain conversion and a carb jetting kit.

spraying starter fluid into the intake didnt do anything for me so the jet kit is a moot point.

after installing the new starter i checked the timing by putting it in TDC on the compression stroke by lining up the marks on the inspection cover and looking at the index marks on the cam with the cam lobes down. . . . . did this 3 times to make sure it was correct.

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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28884 L.A. California Gender:	Re: she ran perfect now she wont run at all! Reply #5 - 12/15/10 at 19:16:44 Quote: i suspected the timing was off so i retimed it.......3 times and when spraying starting fluid right into the intake i get nothing. And I don't know what you mean by retiming it. unless you sloted the pickup, timing isn't set. Did you turn the drive pulley backwards? What year is your engine?
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Reply #6 - 12/15/10 at 19:20:19

verslagen1 wrote on 12/15/10 at 19:16:44:

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i suspected the timing was off so i retimed it.......3 times and when spraying starting fluid right into the intake i get nothing.

And I don't know what you mean by retiming it. unless you sloted the pickup, timing isn't set.

Did you turn the drive pulley backwards?

What year is your engine?

the drive pulley did turn backward with a pop that sounded like gear slippage. the nut didnt loosen.
1986

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Reply #7 - 12/15/10 at 19:38:07

Ben Jones wrote on 12/15/10 at 19:20:19:

the drive pulley did turn backward with a pop that sounded like gear slippage. the nut didnt loosen.
1986

No starter right?

Otherwise, take off the stator cover and check the starter ring teeth and starter mounts.

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Reply #8 - 12/15/10 at 20:20:38

verslagen1 wrote on 10/24/10 at 08:17:59:

Snagged from OF's walk thru (which does a pretty good job of telling the story)
If you had the timing mark dead on and the cam as shown above, you should be good to go. When I did mine {a long time ago} the marks weren't so dead on cause I was using the used cam chain. So the mark was a little high on the taunt side of the chain.

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Ben Jones YaBB Newbies Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 26	Re: she ran perfect now she wont run at all! Reply #9 - 12/16/10 at 15:05:52 i redid the cam chain again......no dice, to hell with it i wanted a 5 speed anyway ill get the motor off ebay.
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: she ran perfect now she wont run at all! Reply #10 - 12/16/10 at 16:01:02 Check spark if you havent pulled the plug & at least felt of the compression with a finger in the plug hole, please do. The 4 speed is every bit as much of a motorcycle as the 5 speed..
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Routy Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 2280 Winston Oregon Gender:	Re: she ran perfect now she wont run at all! Reply #11 - 12/16/10 at 17:43:53 Ben Jones wrote on 12/16/10 at 15:05:52: i redid the cam chain again......no dice, to hell with it i wanted a 5 speed anyway ill get the motor off ebay. I like that,....perfect mortor, just won't start, so the hell w/ it,....I'll teach that sucker to mess w/ me,......new motor, that'll fix that mutha !
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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28884 L.A. California Gender:	Re: she ran perfect now she wont run at all! Reply #12 - 12/16/10 at 18:00:38 if you buy a replacement motor, get the cdi too.
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Reply #13 - 12/16/10 at 21:36:36

Routy wrote on 12/16/10 at 17:43:53:

Ben Jones wrote on 12/16/10 at 15:05:52:

i redid the cam chain again......no dice, to hell with it i wanted a 5 speed anyway ill get the motor off ebay.

I like that,....perfect mortor, just won't start, so the hell w/ it,....I'll teach that sucker to mess w/ me,......new motor, that'll fix that mutha !

I hadda get a damp towel to wipe up the sarcasm that came drippin outta there..

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Reply #14 - 12/17/10 at 04:56:29

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 12/16/10 at 21:36:36:

Routy wrote on 12/16/10 at 17:43:53:

Ben Jones wrote on 12/16/10 at 15:05:52:

i redid the cam chain again......no dice, to hell with it i wanted a 5 speed anyway ill get the motor off ebay.

I like that,....perfect mortor, just won't start, so the hell w/ it,....I'll teach that sucker to mess w/ me,......new motor, that'll fix that mutha !

I hadda get a damp towel to wipe up the sarcasm that came drippin outta there..

Ya but,......didn't it really kinda fit ? Embarrassed

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