Is this thread about done,......I swear I can't take anymore vertical horror stories !

We ain't even voted yet. And besides that, I'm not fooled,..... there ain't hardly a soul that has read this thread, that in the privacy of there own bike garage,....after they turn around a few times to make sure we ain't lookin, ain't gonna check their oil from now on the common senseable way.....on the sidestand ! And thats not to speak of ....that most anyone in the mechanical know, knows that more oil is a lot better in an aircooled engine, and will do it for that reason if nothin else. And thats not to mention that this all comes completely for free !

And if by some slim chance I'm wrong, they are the ones that loose,...not us !

I must admit, I feel a bit like a senator voting on the unemployment extension. But, I will admit, I have officially changed sides. I am now a sidestand checker. ( 2 1/2 Qts. ) It is a lot easier and safer. I just stick to the 2 1/2 Qts., and it seems to be just right. A little high on the vertical, but no oil in the airbox, and burns very little. Probably leaks more than it burns. Either way, it's down for the winter, and I am deciding how deep I want to dig. I don't want to disassemble it farther than my knowhow can put back together. Not to mention that $$ is very tight.

My vote is for level.

I generally just sit on the bike and balance it at the vertical balance point (very easy to sense).  I then position a long-handled mirror such that I can read the oil level.  Very easy to do, but not really needed since my bike (see signature) has never burned any oil....KOW!

And now, in the spirit of this thread, I will post perhaps the most ridiculous way ever concocted to set the bike to level:

First, chock both tires:








Then, run a strap from the bike to the wall of your garage.  Leave the strap a bit loose for now:









Prop the bike's sidestand up on two short sections of 2"X4":





Now, snug the strap to keep the bike from toppling over:





She ain't gonna fall over on you now, and you can get a good look at the oil level.

Truth be told, I don't do this anymore, unless I need to secure the bike for some work and I'm too lazy to put it on a stand.

I originally posted this method some time ago.  See near the bottom of page 1 of this thread:  http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1184815874/13#13

Digger is one of the active defendants, so his vote, Charon's and Bill's won't be counted until the very end along with all the various plantiffs's votes.

(we are trying to poll the Kangaroo Kourt right now, but it seems the jury box is pretty much empty at this stage).

For Vertical,  we got laminated wood blocks, bricks, sticks, walls, multiple tie downs, spirit levels, quite a few long handled mirrors and various other paraphernalia needed to do a "proper" upright check without getting hurt.  We also got 126 list user reported problems doing Vertical, 7 personal injuries and 5 dropped bikes.

(and that is just what the guys will admit to -- we ain't getting told the really ugly ones ....)

For Side Stand, we got a quick glance downwards as you walk up to the bike simply using your standard issue Mark I eyeball.  Although asked repeatedly, so far we have no reported issues either on this thread or over at the original thread in Tech Section.

http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1283793450/27#27

(there are two clicks for problems, one guy admitted he screwed up clicking with his mouse,  the other remained silent as to his situation, whatever it might have been)


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So, if you wanted to try to do a straw count of the final vote it might go sorta like this .....

Kangaroo Kourt is tied at 4 each

For Vertical, add in the 3 defense side people

from the Tech Thread add in the 2 who screwed up their clicks but had no problem to report (gotta be fair now)

being generous and fair, add in the 22 people who voted neutral as they are still verticalling at this point in time (but admit to sitting on the teetery top edge of the fence)

That's a grand total of 31 votes for vertical (giving vertical all the help you possibly could, cause it needs it)





Now for Sidestand, it has gained quite a few since this thread started up (and it will gain more as time goes on, I suspect) ....

Lets see now, 4 from the Kangaroo Kourt, 2 plaintiffs, and 30 from the other thread makes 36 total.

So with 67 being the sample count (about half the active posting list getting counted in this survey) we have about half and half for each method, with the side stand method growing rapidly and the vertical method losing ground accordingly.







Remember boys and girls, keep on checking and looking for any issues with that side stand method -- we is still a looking for that secret flaw to the side stand system to equal the one that Bill found for the vertical method ....


(and that being that unconsciously you get whatever vertical oil level you are looking for by unconsciously tilting the bike jest a little tiny bit one way or another)


go Bill, go !!

OF   I always have my young neighbor girl tilt the bike back and forth till the oil is level thats the best and easiest  way,Even if it does take her a half hour.

Digger sounds like one of the five who had his Savage fall on his headbone at some time or another.   That's headbone protection, there a hangin' off that wall ....

You can spot the rest of the ones who had it happen to them (but won't fess to it) due to the little long mirrors, bricks and sticks and laminated wood blocks they always carry with them.