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Question: While checking your oil level using Suzuki method

... trouble finding "true vertical"
... trouble maintaining balance
... trouble seeing the window
... trouble judging the oil level
... glasses slipped (upside down)
... had to do it again to be sure
... strained your back or neck
... lost control of things  (oops)


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Reply #285 - 11/27/10 at 14:26:16
 
& my chain is not yet installed.. he he he.. I may just sell that thing. May sell my Supertrapp, too. Thinking of jetting back down, going more stock & selling my spare parts off, Superbrace, Supertrapp & cam chain, Orings & other little spare parts & selling the bike come Spring. Thatd bring in about enuff $$$ to get a sports car.
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Reply #286 - 11/28/10 at 01:53:05
 

Funny you should say that, the motor I'm building isn't going to be all super ratted as I once planned, instead it's gonna be pure bone stock.

When I finally quit my Dragon days the original one is gonna be pretty ragged around the edges and I will put this one in and get me some of that good old better gas mileage and lumpa lumpa torque running stuff again.

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Reply #287 - 11/28/10 at 06:27:46
 

Are there any more defenders of the vertical oil check method?

Is there anybody that has found anything about it that is compelling or rational as to why we should keep on doing it?


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Items in evidence against the Vertical Method

Five (5) dropped bikes -- no telling how many near misses ...

Seven (7) personal injuries

and just about everybody seems to have had some issues seeing inside the silly window while holding on to the bike

and Bill of all people condemns the Vertical Method for its true hidden flaw, that you tend to see whatever it is you want to see by unconsciously tilting the bike just a tad in one direction or the other.


Gentlemen, is the Kangaroo Kourt ready to rule yet?

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Reply #288 - 11/28/10 at 06:39:19
 
Biggest PITA is not being able to see the oil in the window. I use a flashlight even in the day time.

When riding in Pa. with TMack, I noticed he carried a small piece of 2"X4" with him. During a stop, I'm doing the vertical lean, and TM puts his side stand on the wood. Worked good.
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Reply #289 - 11/28/10 at 06:51:32
 

TMack is doing a sidestand check (yes, a somewhat modified version but he votes fer side stand check method by doing it).

Doing a TMack is a rational position for those who can't stomach the full side stand trick.

Vote is currently 1 to 1
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Reply #290 - 11/28/10 at 07:27:11
 
OF,
I'm not sure you're getting thru to folks.

The 2x4 trick is about as old as me,....I been down that road,......the point is, whats the point of the 2x4.......or any other trick that is not needed ?
The sad part is, I believe our group here is a ways behind time in using the SS method. I've talked to 2 guys personally that didn't know anything but the SS method.

And like I've said way too many times, when I bought mine 1 1/2 yrs ago, the dealer checked the oil on the SS, and so did I. It was my brother (had a book) that told me of the vertical. But he is a convert now too.  
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Reply #291 - 11/28/10 at 07:45:55
 

Let them vote their convictions, that's what a Kangaroo Kourt does ....

Ain't about justice or rationality, it's about how you feel is how you vote.

Vote is still 1 to 1

And if a carrying a little block of wood keeps you from dropping your bike, hey --- you sure can carry that little block of wood.  

Just so you recognize you are splitting the difference between pure vertical and pure side stand by doing so.    and you is still a side stander
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Reply #292 - 11/28/10 at 07:56:21
 
I don't think you can count the Tmack method as a side stand check.  A true side stand check will leave you full to the top line or higher when vertical.  Last time I filled up, I checked the level vertical (exactly midway) and again when on my pre-vertical brick (a bit taller than a 2x4) under the side stand (bottom line).  So I'm now using that method to achieve the same results.

You might remember from my 'Oil temps and usage' thread that I keep the oil on the low side.  When I've filled to the top line (vert) I get oil in the airbox, about a cup of oil.
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Reply #293 - 11/28/10 at 08:06:49
 
I use Suzuki method never get oil in air box.Engine runs cool and quiet.
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Reply #294 - 11/28/10 at 08:07:09
 
Oil in the air box, oil coming out of the air box.   These are known symptoms of too much oil.

On the first mountain trip we put too much oil in Ed's bike after we epoxied his alternator/flywheel side cover back shut.  The excess blew out his air box through his vent tube.   Did it right smartly, too.

All side stand people -- go check your air box for unusual amounts of oil.

I can't say, I use an oiled polyfill air filter so I always have some oil in the bottom of my air box.    

I mop it dry every time I check my air filter and I can't say any more or any less since I went side stand cause I haven't noticed any real change.

vote is 3 to one for vertical

(not counting any of the declared side stand people yet, t'ain't the proper time fer that yet)
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Reply #295 - 11/28/10 at 08:11:20
 
All sidestand people check your air box for oil,Suzuki method people you don't have too.
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Reply #296 - 11/28/10 at 08:12:30
 

Now Bill, I was nice, I even counted your vote.
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Reply #297 - 11/28/10 at 08:19:03
 
OF says buy a Suzuki Manuel     OF says don't go by the Suzuki manuel Shocked
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Reply #298 - 11/28/10 at 08:20:36
 
I can't believe we have 20 pages,... 300 posts,... 3000 views,... on the topic of a sight glass...
It's definitely the off season... Huh...

Has anyone noticed there is no option in the poll for
"Works fine for me, no problem"...?...
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Reply #299 - 11/28/10 at 08:22:53
 

OF says  "Correct all the mistakes in your Suzuki / Clymers Manual"


That's what the last 20 pages has all been about.


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Stated reason for the poll was to see how many people were honest enough to admit they had dumped their bike while checking the oil.

Rest was a distribution of potential problems, which racked up quite a spread in some unexpected directions too.

You voting?   Give us a thumbs up or thumbs down ....
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