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Question: While checking your oil level using Suzuki method

... trouble finding "true vertical"
... trouble maintaining balance
... trouble seeing the window
... trouble judging the oil level
... glasses slipped (upside down)
... had to do it again to be sure
... strained your back or neck
... lost control of things  (oops)


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Reply #150 - 11/07/10 at 08:38:01
 

Ok Drums, you are not a newbie.

Maybe "innocent bystander what wandered into the mine field and then protested that the machine gun fire was being impolite" is closer to it.

Yes, Bill would be a interesting person to meet, we keep inviting him down to NC to go riding in the pretty mountains, he says he'll come then he doesn't ever show up ..... says he got lost.   Mebbe you can have better luck.   Don't forget the pictures of Bill and his bike.


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Reply #151 - 11/07/10 at 08:46:14
 
Theres a picture of my bike in scavenger hunt by a train locomotive and a picture of me and may family in the pictures of people deal,enjoy Grin
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Reply #152 - 11/07/10 at 08:52:10
 

<"As far as training newbies, I would tell them to fill the engine until the oil comes to the "L" mark in the window with the bike level. Then follow Suzuki's procedure of starting the engine for a minute or two, shutting it off and rechecking. Top off if needed.">


Ok, Charon, that's the printed Suzuki Method that is saying crank the bike up, fill up the oil gallery, the filter cavity and all the hollow shafts and the bath, warm it up some, etc. then stop the engine, wait a few minutes and check the oil level.

I can see "check it cold", but I really can't see telling people to check the level when the oil is known to be moving from up to down ---- does this not make anybody else go all "shiver-shudder" in amazement?

If you topped it off, an hour later you would see the bike as overfilled when the rest of the oil upstairs rejoined the sump.

Plus, the oil changes volume with temperature according to the formula 0.0004 / degree F, so for a 120 degree F delta-T you get a 4.8% change in volume.


Baliff, add one more charge against the Suzuki Method, please.  

          Checking Against a Moving Target.


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Reply #153 - 11/07/10 at 09:29:16
 
You are going to have to add Yamaha and Kawasaki, too, since they both call for the same method. I can't say about Honda, since I don't have one of their manuals. But I expect them to be the same.

So far, my bikes use little enough oil that I don't even bother to keep track of consumption. I try to remember to check the oil before first start, by just pulling the bike level and seeing if the oil is somewhere near the middle of the window. I don't even carry any oil with me, figuring that if I do happen to need some almost every gas station/C-store will have something usable. Each of us is free to use whatever method we choose, with or without any sort of justification for it. Perhaps the best method of all is the Briggs & Stratton method: Remove the fill plug, fill until the oil runs back out, and replace the plug.
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Reply #154 - 11/07/10 at 09:39:53
 

Huh?  A Unified Stupid Japanese Oil Checking Method?  

Copied down endlessly from the age of broken English Translation Owner's Manuals back in the '60's no doubt .....


JASO method = Jack Ass Stupid Official method

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Might I suggest a gentle remedy?

Use the Savage.Com suggested IMPROVED method instead.

Walk up to your bike from the right side as it sits cold in your garage and see if you have any oil peeking up over the edge of the oil window?

If not, make it so.


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Easy

Consistent

Enough Oil Reserve to Cause You to have "Peace of Mind"

No logical inconsistencies, odd warm ups, balancing acts or "moving targets"


Cheesy   Cheesy   Cheesy   Cheesy   Cheesy   Cheesy


Now, all you need to do is try it and see that it works for you too.

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Reply #155 - 11/07/10 at 09:51:55
 
Hardly ever check my oil... It never uses any... replace every 2k... Huh...


Official qualifications for newbie status...
... less than 10k riding miles
... less than 1 year on a Savage
... less than 100 posts on SS.com
... can't find the oil drain plug...

Drums is not a newbie.... but not yet an oldtimer...
... to qualify as an oldtimer...
... make at least 500 ridiculously inane posts, spouting unverifiable facts or rules, as if they're gospel...
...such as this one... Huh...

... or resist,.. and retain your dignity...
... but where's the fun in that?... Wink...
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Reply #156 - 11/07/10 at 10:00:15
 
spouting unverifiable facts or rules, as if they're gospel..

HEY! Whutchew MEAN  "As IF"??


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Reply #157 - 11/07/10 at 10:16:32
 

Are you picking on Bill again?

Fer shame!

Fer shame!


Actually, there is a spectrum or range here, with Verslagen and Charon on one end of the spectrum and Bill on the other.

I am making the transit between the two .....

Bill, I'm coming to you buddy.  
When my oil finally all dribbles down to my sump, we'll be sittin' all together .....

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Reply #158 - 11/07/10 at 10:29:03
 
Serowbot wrote on 11/07/10 at 09:51:55:
Official qualifications for newbie status...
... less than 10k riding miles
... less than 1 year on a Savage
... less than 100 posts on SS.com
... can't find the oil drain plug...

Does any one qualification count?
Cause regardless of the miles, time or posts... if you can't find the drain plug and know which way to unscrew it, you are pretty much useless.

BTW... how many drain plugs are there?   Grin
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Reply #159 - 11/07/10 at 10:30:45
 
I can think of 3, but someone gonna hafta hold the bike up on its side & shake it a little for 2 of them.
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Reply #160 - 11/07/10 at 10:34:50
 

Now you is pokin' fun at the sacred job of "newbie".  

No wonder Drums doesn't want the job any more !!!
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Reply #161 - 11/07/10 at 10:45:49
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 11/07/10 at 10:30:45:
I can think of 3, but someone gonna hafta hold the bike up on its side & shake it a little for 2 of them.

I got 5, but still thinking about it.

And battery don't count, as you don't replace the fluid, but in some cases you replenish it.
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Reply #162 - 11/07/10 at 12:00:28
 

Bill, I found the video of you, your bike and the train, at least I think it is you.  

You had your mouth hanging open with the durnest look on your face as you went on by wearing that green helmet of yours .....



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Reply #163 - 11/07/10 at 12:14:15
 
Yes indeed, I know where the drainplug is. Now, by drainplugs, do you mean anything that's removable, and allows either oil or gasoline to drain? I guess I need to do some more major overhaulin' to find the 5 Verslagen has...
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Reply #164 - 11/07/10 at 12:16:58
 
Thats me alright OF thats the closes I ever come to running over a train.
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