Thats for you guys that have a problem with checking your oil.

Just from curiosity, and to stir things again, which manual is it that says anything about 2.5 quarts of oil? I just dug out the Owners Manual for the LS650, dated May, 2006. Under SPECIFICATIONS, CAPACITIES, it says "Engine oil, without filter change, 1800 ml (1.9 US quart). With filter change 2000 ml (2.1 US quart)."

In Chapter 7, INSPECTION AND MAINTENANCE, Page 7-15: "Engine Oil Level Check. Follow the procedure below to inspect the engine oil level.
"1. Start the engine and alllow it to idle for a few minutes.
"2. Stop the engine and wait for three minutes.
"3. Hold the motorcycle vertically and inspect the engine oil level through the engine oil level inspection window. The engine oil should be between "L" (low) and "F" (full) lines."

There is a bold print CAUTION note saying:
"The engine oil level must be between the "L" (low) line and "F" (full) line, or engine damage may occur.
Check the oil level, through the inspection window, with the motorcycle held vertically on level ground before each use of the motorcycle."

Further on, Page 7-18, toward the end of the oil changing instructions, it gives the oil quantities again as 2000 ml (2.1 US quart) with filter change, and 1800 ml (1.9 US quart) without.

I am not going to argue with those of you who overfill and do not have any damage, nor those who overfill to have a little "extra reserve oil" for high-use engines. I do know, from my brother's experience, there is a level of overfilling which results in the engine spitting oil into the airbox, then inhaling gulps of that oil and emulating a mosquito fogger. His was filled beyond the top of the window with the bike on the stand, but I have no idea how much oil he put in it.

I will have to say I am amazed that, in a 10-page thread, I am the first to actually quote the Owner's Manual instead of guessing what it says.

Now OF tell me how you read the battery window.

OK, I call for the Kangaroo Kourt to come into session.


I accuse the Suzuki Method of being both illogical, troublesome and known to be inconsistent between owner's manuals as verified by Mispecu101 and Charon independently and as verified by a Suzuki Dealership's "qualified person" AND calling for checking the oil while it is still actively drooling down from the head, oil filter cavity, the oil galleries and the cam bath.  
Quite illogical, sez Mr. Spock.

We have 25 list members that verify the Side Stand "check it cold" Method works with no ill effects found after months of looking and it is consistent and is much much easier to do.   It is known and verified to give additional reserve oil capacity compared to the Suzuki Method (both versions of it that we have been told about, anyway).

We ask the Kangaroo Kourt to rule -- which is in error, the 2.5 quarts (or Charon's 2.1 quarts or the dealerships stated "no more than 3 quarts") of oil capacity or the blasted stupid illogical "vertical balancing" checking while the oil is still moving Suzuki method which has resulted in a list reported 68 difficulties of which 3 were dropped bikes and 3 were personal injuries.

We also ask the Kourt to clarify how we will train up all future newbies in the correct way for them to go .... as now they are sorely confused (and so are we).




   

Justin, as friend of the court, we take it you are saying there is room for interpretation on the amount of oil.   Yes, this is in line with what all the experts are saying.

However, we are past the stage of additional testimony.

As a Senior Member of the Kangaroo Kourt, how do you rule on the two charges?

1) Amount of oil wrong vs the vertical check method being wrong

2)  How we shall train up the newbies as "correct method"

Bill, you are out of order (yes, that works -- in several different ways)

One quick question and I'm done. How many posts and years of riding does it take until you are no longer considered a "newbie"???????????
Apparently, 10,000 miles and 3 1/2 years isn't enough to satisfy some.

Yes we will have to ride some time, this year is pretty well shot,I really don't ride below 60 .I think your about 40 miles away from Genoa city.