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Question: While checking your oil level using Suzuki method

... trouble finding "true vertical"
... trouble maintaining balance
... trouble seeing the window
... trouble judging the oil level
... glasses slipped (upside down)
... had to do it again to be sure
... strained your back or neck
... lost control of things  (oops)


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Reply #120 - 11/05/10 at 22:48:48
 

Use CO2, it is nice and heavy and stays where you put it.   Noble gases ain't all that noble in rubber, slippery & very mobile instead.

Or you could use air, compressed, ordinary (but it is 70+ percent nitrogen and has a lot of oxygen in it too -- bad for rubber)

Bill, what do you like to breathe?
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Reply #121 - 11/06/10 at 00:29:49
 
I use pre-compressed air usually compressed it up to about 5 times of what air  pressure I want to use. when I got new tires for my car they wanted $8 a tire more for the nitrogen stuff so I told them no just pre-compressed air would do me.
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Reply #122 - 11/06/10 at 03:04:47
 

I guess that explains the hissing sound coming out your ears, 5x normal pressure, huh?

How about your bike, you still trying to sell it?
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Reply #123 - 11/06/10 at 05:32:55
 
Despite all the things that Bill doesn't like about his s-40, he ain't sell'n it,.....because there ain't nothin any better for us ole guys !

Getting back to the topic at hand,........
My bike fell on the left side when I let it back down after checking the oil, and it rolled off the stand.
But how many times would it rather fall on its right side while holding it w/ 1 hand, and nearly standing on your head trying to see the site glass ? If that would have happened to me, I'd still be there,.... pinned to the cold hard concrete by 400 lbs of cold hard steel ! Shocked I can't believe Suzy has not got sued over this, and that they still use the same oil checking instructions yet today ? Un-be veeve-able !
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Reply #124 - 11/06/10 at 06:13:30
 

I can't believe they haven't been sued for all the dead Savage engines due to the low oil reserve amount that comes along with their stupid directions ....

Wonder which model they copied the directions from?  

The 1400 cc V twin?

One of the in-line 4s?

What else were they making about that time (in the mid 80's)?

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Reply #125 - 11/06/10 at 06:52:18
 
Suzuki GR 650 had the window,I think the GN 400 had it ,My Suzuki 1500 has it. So I've been using it for 30 years.
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Reply #126 - 11/06/10 at 06:54:45
 

Did they all have the same exact verbage in the owner's manual?
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Reply #127 - 11/06/10 at 07:13:09
 
Apparently the oil check window is pretty common. My Yamaha 250 Star (nee 250 Virago), my Suzuki S40 (nee Savage and first produced about 1985), and my Kawasaki 250 Ninja all have them, and all are designs many years old. A quick Google check says a lot of Hondas have them, too. And as far as I can tell, the procedure for all of them is the same. Start the engine and let it run for a couple of minutes; shut it off and let the oil drain back down for a couple of minutes; hold the bike level and behold the oil level in the window.

I think one would have a mighty tough time suing a manufacturer for the "low reserve amount" of oil in the engine. All they would say is "When did you last check it?"
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Reply #128 - 11/06/10 at 07:13:38
 
Yes, I would like to know the exact wording of it all. The site glass is fine, its the vertical thing that sucks ! How many of these other bikes have a center stand ? That is a horse of a whole nother color !

But to think that no one has gotten hurt using this "vertical BS" w/o a center stand??
I think not !!
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Reply #129 - 11/06/10 at 07:22:49
 

Poll says 3 people got at least a neck/back strain out of it, so no, I don't think so either.

Whole thing drives back to the root question -- which is the Suzuki/Clymers goof this time -- the 2.5 quarts of oil or the checking method?

one of them is a screw up -- and it needs to be added to the Clymer's screw up thread in Tech Section.

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Reply #130 - 11/06/10 at 07:23:53
 
Since my Yamaha manual was convenient to hand:

"1. Place the vehicle on a level surface and hold it in an upright position. A slight tilt to the side can result in a false reading.

"2. Start the engine, warm it up for several minutes, and then turn it off.

"3. Wait a few minutes, and then check the oil level through the check window located at the bottom-right side of the crankcase."

By the way, the Yamaha does not have a center stand. My '07 250 Ninja does, but its successors '08 and later do not.
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Reply #131 - 11/06/10 at 10:39:05
 

Yamaha is even more insane than Suzuki -- warm it indeed.  

They could say "only check it cold' or "only check it hot" but oh no, it's gotta be "warm".

Then you gotta wait a few minutes (say 10-15) for it to dribble back down from everywhere .......

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Visions of testing baby bottles on the inside of my arm for proper "warm".
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Reply #132 - 11/06/10 at 10:44:56
 
I walk out, look at it, call it good or add accordingly & go. I never warm it up to check the oil,.
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Reply #133 - 11/06/10 at 11:35:23
 
If any of you guys live near a farm,just take it there and put it in a cow stall like they use for milking cows.then get down like your were going to milk a cow,but check the oil instead.
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Reply #134 - 11/06/10 at 14:35:34
 

Bill, is that a recommendation derived from your personal experience?

.... or are you jest billshutting us again?
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