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Re: Carburetor Specifications
Reply #30 - 09/13/21 at 18:57:42
 
verslagen1 wrote on 09/13/21 at 17:40:46:
buster6315 wrote on 09/13/21 at 16:27:48:
I've got some #4 washers.  Now I have to remove the gas tank:  I've disconnected the fuel line and the vacuum line, and the speedometer cable.  I can pull it towards the rear, but not enough.  Any suggestions?  Thank you! Sad


If you have access to the top of the carb and you only want to change the white spacer, you don't need to remove the carb.  Just take the top off.

But, to answer your question... the bowl is hitting the bat box?  The bat box can be pulled back a little and that may be enough.

Take a ratchet strap and hook one on the upper shock stud around the bat box and to the axle, or some other place convenient.  Tighten it up a little till you got room for the carb to come back a little.  Of course I'm assuming you've removed the rubber duckie.
 I am not trying to remove the carb; the gas tank is the problem.  I wiggled it enough to remove it.  I pulled the top off the carb and replaced the stock white washer with a single plastic washer.  The #4 metal washers were too large.  I cut down the plastic one to make it fit.  I went from ~3.5/32" to 1.5/32" thick.  Hopefully that will cure the surging issue.  Thank you.
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Reply #31 - 09/14/21 at 12:33:36
 
I had the same issue the first time I removed my gas tank.  It would slide to the rear about 1" and then acted like it was hitting something.  I found that if you hold pressure on the rear of the tank pushing to the left it will clear whatever it bumps into.  Then it's just a matter of lifting the tank off rear first.  wiguzziman
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Reply #32 - 09/14/21 at 19:51:23
 
Yes, that is how I was able to remove my gas tank also.  Installing it was a hassle because I did not make note of the speedometer cable routing:  Ended being too short the first time, so, off came the tank again!  Got the speedometer cable routed properly (second attempt) so it was long enough to be threaded onto the tranny connector.  Of course the rubber gasket fell down near the starter, so that had to be fished out.  Bottom line, the carb mod cured the surging issue.  Me happy now!  I may check the mpg some time.  Next project is to install longer handlebars.
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Reply #33 - 10/26/22 at 12:38:58
 
Hi, I have a quick question for the first post. The carb spec chart. I have a 86 in Canada. Is there a different carb spec list for a Canadian 86 or would they be the same at the time (1986)
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Reply #34 - 10/26/22 at 14:20:59
 
Suzuki86prince wrote on 10/26/22 at 12:38:58:
Hi, I have a quick question for the first post. The carb spec chart. I have a 86 in Canada. Is there a different carb spec list for a Canadian 86 or would they be the same at the time (1986)

The copy of the FSM is in english and does not explain the areas/countries that the data pertains to.
The abbreviation for california is CA and that happens to coincide with the abbreviation for canada.
However, calif. has always had its own EPA requirements so I think that the specs listed in the FSM are mainly for the USA.
It should also be  noted that units of measure in the USA are inch/lb/sec
Whereas the rest of the world uses metric units, m/gram/sec
This may seem meaningless trivia but for the jets as they are numbered differently.
And heaven help you if you find Dynajet jets in there as their numbers are different from everyone.

So if you see the devil walk by with a handbag, you might ask if he's got the manual for canada.
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Reply #35 - 10/26/22 at 18:18:09
 
Ok, we’ll thanks for clearing that up for me anyways.
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Reply #36 - 04/21/23 at 15:07:20
 
I'm back to riding my LS650 after 10 years,
My vehicle's engine gave up on me ...

This is so helpful, I was working on cleaning up my carb, some of the screws slipped so now I'm into getting the right screws.

I also found at Home Depot Hillman's stainless steel

Top Cover
M5-0.80 x 16

Float Cover (Bottom)
M5-0.80 x 12

Side Cover 3 Screws (TEV Cover)
M4-.70 x 10

verslagen1 wrote on 07/19/14 at 22:16:40:
Todd James wrote on 07/19/14 at 22:08:55:
I replaced all of the external screws on my carburetor
with Allen head screws.
Here's a picture that shows the location, sizes, and
quantities of the screws.


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Reply #37 - 04/23/24 at 06:31:22
 
This good old post needs a bump.

I bought a cheap rebuild kit on E.Bay.  I knew many of the parts wouldn’t be ideal or correct, but I mostly just needed the float bowl gasket and to study the other parts.  

After some messaging with the seller, here’s a list of specs for the components.  My notes/questions included.

1 Float Bowl Gasket (actually good quality)

1 Viton Tip Needle & Seat #2.8 (This is the float valve - is 2.8 big enough, there’s no mention of this in posts/thread above.  I know the Mikuni VM36 uses a 3.4.  I don’t know if these numbers are flow rates or mm sized.)

1 Main Jet #130 (Way too small.  Advised seller to talk to his supplier to include a 145 with extra 147.5 and 150. The extra larger jets would be a nice marketing plus for the kit.)

1 Main Jet #70 (I believe this is misnamed and should say ‘pilot air jet’.  It’s the same physical size as the Pilot Air Jet that should be 67.5.  What would be the affect of 70 vs 67.5?)

1 Pilot Jet #47.5 (Advised seller this should be 52.5 for more current models and only older models used 47.5 - suggested including a 47.5, 50, and 52.5 in the kit for better marketability.)

1 Needle Jet (seems to match stock, good quality)

1 Needle #Y379S (Has 3 grooves, but what about the taper?  This will be interesting and fun to dial in. What the heck is a “Y379S”?.)

1 Needle Clip (The inside diameter is too large to fit securely in the needle groove.  I had to pinch and manipulate it with needle nose pliers to crimp it snug and tight in the groove.)

1 Fuel Mixture Screw (seems good quality and the tip was protected with a plastic cover)

1 Fuel Mixture Screw Spring (seems fine)
1 O-Ring (seems fine)
1 Washer (seems fine)

I have an authentic Mikuni 150 Main and 52.5 Pilot jet coming from JetsRUs.
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Reply #38 - 06/12/24 at 05:20:11
 
Looking over the original post, it’s interesting that the common USA set up uses a 52.5 pilot at 3 turns out and the CA version has a 47.5 at 1-3/4 turns out.

I understand that CA has stricter emission laws, but if you can achieve good idle with a 47.5 at 1-3/4 turns out, why install the bigger 52.5 at 3 turns out for common USA models (pilot air jets being equal)?  I suppose the bigger jet provides slightly better richer acceleration transitioning on to the needle/jet needle.

Heck, just start with a 50 at 2 turns out and tinker from there….

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Reply #39 - 08/03/24 at 11:43:14
 
After reading all the carburetor stuff I could find on this forum, I went at it myself, and had good results. The engine accelerates smoother, power seems a little more readily available, and no backfiring. This forum has been such a great help to me, I figured I'd share what worked for me.
I live in New Jersey at about 315 meters above sea level.
I started with a stock '96 bike. #145 main jet and 52.5 pilot jet.
I have this air filter in the stock breather box, nothing special:
https://amzn.to/4c7ewhD
Instead of drilling jets I bought these Mikuni jet sets with a range of sizes:
Main-https://amzn.to/3Wzzksp
Pilot-https://amzn.to/3LSVKzU

I wrestled removed the carb from the bike.

I opened the top and replaced the nylon spacer with a metal washer I had in one of my cans of misc nuts and screws. I eyeballed it as 1/3 the thickness of the nylon spacer. Closed it up.

I opened the bottom and replaced the Main Jet with a 147.5 jet, and replaced the Pilot Jet with a #55 jet. Both one size up from stock.

I put it back together (some spray lube on the engine carb gasket to coax the carb back into place) and turned the idle mix screw all the way in--be careful not to over tighten, it felt like it bottomed against a coil spring. The warmed-up engine seemed to idle fastest and best at 1 to 1-1/2 full turns out. Then I adjusted the idle with the idle adj finger screw, I left it fast enough to idle smoothly.

Then I took it out. I rode it hard for about 10 minutes and experience no backfiring on deceleration. I pulled into the garage and dropped down to idle. Then I gassed it and let it drop down to idle again and quickly cut the ignition, which used to give me a nice honey-I'm-home BANG! But now, just a sweet little kitten fart.

Thanks to all you guys who share your experience and take time to answer questions. This is a great forum!


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Reply #40 - 08/14/24 at 21:48:42
 
Does anyone have a picture of the idle mixture screw? I just went to double check my settings on the carb. My screw was only like 3/4 turn out and was sticking out past the body of the carb. The needle part of the screw is crazy long. It makes mee thinks someone just threw in a needle screw and called it good cuz the bikes runs.
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Reply #41 - 08/15/24 at 04:10:43
 
The stock OEM mix screw sits recessed in the hole about 1/4-3/8” depending on the adjustment.

I’ve bought and used an aftermarket mix screw that was about 1/2” longer than OEM.  It’s the same length from the first thread to the tip of the screw (the important length).  The portion of the screw on the other side of the threads is longer so it sticks out more.  At 2 turns out, it’s flush with the carb body/hole.  This photo is of the aftermarket screw I used (yours may be similar in length or longer).

I wouldn’t worry about it unless it’s sticking way out and you had to adjust the carb richer and set it more than 3 turns out from the fully seated position.  If you have to go more than 3.5 turns out, I’d worry about it vibrating loose. If that’s the case, use a pilot jet 1 size smaller.

Be careful when you turn it all the way in and gently seat it.  Just barely turn it until it  gently stops.  Don’t force it in real hard or you can break the tip (you’re not trying to install a door latch or something like that).
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Reply #42 - 08/15/24 at 11:04:50
 
Here is my mix screw
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Reply #43 - 08/15/24 at 11:06:06
 
And how it sits fully sits seated in the carb
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Reply #44 - 08/15/24 at 11:20:45
 
That looks like the OEM screw.  Something isn't right.  Is there a washer(s) or something stuck in the threads?  I've striped the threads and destroyed a carb trying to remove the screw (don't make my mistake).  Something is preventing it from screwing in and truly seating correctly.  How many turns can you screw it in before it stops?  I can't remember the exact number of full turns in to get it to properly seat, but it's like 7-8 full turns.

Your idle must be very rich if this is as far as it will go in.  I'm guessing the idle screw is turned way in (high) to compensate for the super rich air/fuel mix screw setting you have.
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