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Reply #30 - 03/07/26 at 03:40:01
 
zevenenergie wrote on 03/06/26 at 06:44:21:
WebsterMark wrote on 03/06/26 at 05:29:44:
zevenenergie wrote on 03/06/26 at 03:33:41:
Dear Web,

I don't hate Israelis that much. But I've seen enough atrocities in Israeli settlements over the years, and beyond. Israeli politics combined with Mossat is far from innocent. Netanyahu is the most cunning and cruel politician alive. These kinds of people should never be allowed into politics because they bring about nothing but destruction.
And they don't hesitate to sacrifice people for political gain.

But that's what Israelis are primarily concerned with, by the way. Gain. At the expense of everyone.  I've seen some harrowing examples of this and experienced it myself. I know someone from Israel; he's a very clever man. He's fun to be with, but I won't ever do business with him. I see it much the same way as with Italians. I don't trust them one bit.

If those two paragraphs were intended to demonstrate you judge cultures and people by an honest evaluation of their actions and are not antisemitic, they did the opposite

But what about your hatred of lefties and Arabs? Wink


I don’t hate all lefties as I have many family members and most young people lean left. But for many, especially the young, it’s a default position. That’s why I say conservatives are the adult in the room. I do hate those who study the issues(at least they say they do I’m not sure about that)and still support lunacy. Gender reassignment surgery for minors, boys in woman’s sports, unrestricted abortion, yes I hate those people who are smart enough to know better but actively push this ideology.

However, keep in mind hate is not the opposite of love. God said “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”

The opposite of love is indifference.



I am not free from hatred or projections. I am very aware of the forces that exist within me. I know that we strongly disagree on the Palestinian issue, so I also understand your assessment.

I see very clearly that the unconscious conviction of a culture can be very harmful. With the Israelis, it's that they are the promised people and have a right to the promised land.
And lo and behold, they never seek a balanced way of living together.That is not accurate. Israeli citizens gather in the street and protest Netanyahu‘s actions. There’s a debate going on with Israel how to respond. However, the single most important bottom line to this is: If Israel laid down all of its weapons, the Arab states would immediately attack and destroy it. If the Arab states laid down all their weapons, there would be a chance of peace. That’s the difference. That’s what you have to keep in mind. That’s reality.
When I look at Muslims, they have a duty to defend their faith with violence and, according to them, Islam is the true revelation of God.

These are both deep conditions, the real reason for the wars in the Middle East.

So I don't see the Jewish people as innocent, but you're not allowed to say anything about Jews. Why?

I like to think freely and speak freely. And I think Israel is behaving criminally in the world. And there is indeed a genocidal movement going on in Gaza. You know that too, but you think it's justified. And that points to hatred and fear.I don't judge you for this, but I do recognize it.


You write:
However, keep in mind hate is not the opposite of love. God said “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated"


“The LORD has spoken to you, and you ask, ‘How has your love for us been shown?’ Was not Esau Jacob’s brother? declares the LORD, ‘Yet I have loved Jacob, but I have hated Esau. I have made his mountains a wasteland and given his inheritance to the jackals of the wilderness.’”


I think you have to be very careful with biblical texts. People are all too willing to act in God's name.





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Reply #31 - 03/07/26 at 04:44:52
 
the divine is beyond human perception
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Reply #32 - 03/07/26 at 05:23:19
 
Yes, that's right.
But you can feel the effect if you focus your attention on the divine.

Because you can't perceive the divine and you don't know it, you have to focus on the nothingness within yourself: the silence.
I don't know how it works, but it does.

Try it.
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Reply #33 - 03/07/26 at 05:43:18
 
That's why I do not accept anyone's religion. No human, and no book written by humans, can describe the infinite. Words themselves are limited, and so inadequate to describe the infinite. Science has recently confirmed that we humans only experience 5% of reality. How can anyone who has a grasp of logic think they have solved the "mystery" of "God"? They would have to be wrong. Humans can only understand a part of HOW the universe works--- that's called Physics or Taoism, depending on perspective. ANY claim that actions are directed or proclaimed by ANY Diety has to be wrong. You cannot understand the whole universe. You cannot understand the concept of "God". Therefore, a God is a lie.



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Reply #34 - 03/08/26 at 03:51:37
 
Needles wrote on 03/07/26 at 05:43:18:
That's why I do not accept anyone's religion. No human, and no book written by humans, can describe the infinite. Words themselves are limited, and so inadequate to describe the infinite. Science has recently confirmed that we humans only experience 5% of reality. How can anyone who has a grasp of logic think they have solved the "mystery" of "God"? They would have to be wrong. Humans can only understand a part of HOW the universe works--- that's called Physics or Taoism, depending on perspective. ANY claim that actions are directed or proclaimed by ANY Diety has to be wrong. You cannot understand the whole universe. You cannot understand the concept of "God". Therefore, a God is a lie.



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For the same reason, the infinite would then also be a lie. And therefore your favorite Taoism would be also nonsense.
So how is it that you only accept your faith?


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Reply #35 - 03/08/26 at 05:58:43
 
Infinite is not a lie; it's a description of observation, though I do appreciate the mental gymnastics you had to go through to justify your belief in non-observed incidents.




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Reply #36 - 03/08/26 at 08:49:50
 
zevenenergie wrote on 03/07/26 at 05:23:19:
Yes, that's right.
But you can feel the effect if you focus your attention on the divine.

Because you can't perceive the divine and you don't know it, you have to focus on the nothingness within yourself: the silence.
I don't know how it works, but it does.

Try it.


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Reply #37 - 03/08/26 at 09:08:46
 
There is no "divine". Taoist meditation is not Buddhist or western meditation. The Zen concept of "no mind" was superimposed onto Taoist practices, but is not the same. Even Buddhists are wary of "divinity".  "If you meet the Buddha on the road, kill him." Buddhism seeks to discover the inner self, or true identity. Taoism seeks to set it free. Taoism also recognizes "gods" as shorthand for natural processes, an intellectual position that the Abrahamaic religions have forgotten. That's what "blind faith" ends up giving you.




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