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Message started by MnSpring on 03/01/26 at 17:05:17

Title: Molten glass
Post by MnSpring on 03/01/26 at 17:05:17

The 20 YEAR war in Afghanistan
would have saved 2490, LIVES,
and 20 THOUSAND wounded USA Patriots.

IF Afghanistan would have been turned into 3 piles of Molten glass !

Is Iran Gonna be another 20 YEAR War ?????

Or Molten glass ?

Title: Re: Molten glass
Post by Eegore on 03/01/26 at 22:00:52

The 20 YEAR war in Afghanistan
would have saved 2490, LIVES,
and 20 THOUSAND wounded USA Patriots.

IF Afghanistan would have been turned into 3 piles of Molten glass !

In your opinion.

Title: Re: Molten glass
Post by Needles on 03/02/26 at 06:26:08

Afghanistan was arguably a 3rd world country. So was Iraq. Iran is not. That is the flaw in Trumpedo's plan. Iran is industrialized, and has been for decades. If you can imagine the difficulties in taking on France or Germany, that's what attacking Iran is like. Sure, the US's bloated military can overwhelm them, but the cost will be enormous. In fact, one expert has said that the cost of the military operation for 1 week is greater than the cost of universal healthcare, universal education, and Medicaid funding for decades. MAGATs, are you stupid fux ready to admit you elected a moron? a Criminal? A Pedo? I can guarantee Barron ain't going to be anywhere close to the fighting.

::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

Title: Re: Molten glass
Post by Needles on 03/02/26 at 06:30:30

BTW, China is now supporting Iran. China has a Mach 7 cruise missle that cannot be shot down. Iran is now capable of hitting the US mainland. There is currently NO Presidential bunker. Oh, and the Iranian hackers are releasing the Trumpedo videos...

::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

Title: Re: Molten glass
Post by Eegore on 03/02/26 at 09:43:32

In fact, one expert has said that the cost of the military operation for 1 week is greater than the cost of universal healthcare, universal education, and Medicaid funding for decades.

There is no way that math is accurate, this is a blatant insult to everyone's intelligence in my opinion. Needles you should know better. But it is a good trigger statement because who doesn't want free everything for decades?

We have already had this discussion and the averaged estimate is about 300 million a day during the most expensive year of the Afghanistan war.

Universal Healthcare alone would be 40 Trillion over 10 years. That's 4 trillion a year or 10,958,904,109.58 per-day. Just for Healthcare. There is no way a war in Iran would be that expensive. 76,712,328,763 for one week? Yeah right.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8572548/

Title: Re: Molten glass
Post by Needles on 03/02/26 at 14:42:22

As a pseudo Lawyer, I'd expect you to use today's costs, not costs from the last time it happened. You're not very smart. You didn't really "get " Sesame Street, did you?

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Molten glass
Post by Eegore on 03/02/26 at 21:04:38

As a pseudo Lawyer, I'd expect you to use today's costs, not costs from the last time it happened. You're not very smart. You didn't really "get " Sesame Street, did you?

As a pseudo economist and mathematician, you should know that even with an "adjusted for inflation parameter" it won't even come close. Trillions a day? It's a BS statement used to trigger those, like yourself, that are incapable of being critical of information you want to be true.

Carrier groups don't even cost 10 mil a day now. The latest third party calculations come in at 779.174 million for Saturday. There's no way "one week" of spending will come close to funding all that universal care for a decade. You know that, but you won't admit it.

This post is an opinion.

Title: Re: Molten glass
Post by Needles on 03/03/26 at 05:55:08

Yes, an ignorant opinion.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Molten glass
Post by Eegore on 03/03/26 at 15:45:36

So you are going to stand by the 76,712,328,763 spent in one week of combat in Iran? You know that's not true, but you somehow think if you admit that, then it's equal to supporting Trump. This is an opinion.

The number is actually much higher, as I only calculated healthcare, and not education etc.

Title: Re: Molten glass
Post by Needles on 03/03/26 at 16:37:41

Title: Re: Molten glass
Post by Eegore on 03/03/26 at 19:27:51

Add up the sh1t Iran blew up within the hour after the attack. 11 countries, multiple strikes. Oh, and they took out the long range radar guarding Israel. You're also completely ignoring repair and rebuild costs. And whether I'm right or not about the costs does not change the fact that Trumpedo is a traitor, rapist, murderer, and pedophile, as well as a financial criminal.

Again, bad math has nothing to do with Trump unless it's Trump's math. No part of calling the math horrendously incorrect means Trump isn't a traitor, rapist, murderer, and pedophile, as well as a financial criminal - you just treat anything but absolute agreement with everything you say as defending Trump.

If we are to "add up" cost to other countries then its not exclusively US military expense and there is no reason to compare that to the US Education/Medicaid/Healthcare system. The statement clearly implies the US could be spending USD on Universal care "for decades" instead of a war with Iran - versus total cost to all countries could cover the cost of US Universal healthcare/Medicaid/Education for decades. Even with US aid to rebuild it would never get remotely close.

A war with Iran will cost the planet more than a decade of Universal healthcare in the US? Let's say then that a war in Iran will cost more than a Century of free healthcare in Mexico, or 800 years of free education in Somalia.

The Iron Dome cost, from inception to use, won't cover US Healthcare for one year. Even if we double the battery cost to 100 million, each, that's barely a Billion in deployment cost and Iran did not disable all of it. If Israel had 1000 more of those you would have 1/40th of one aspect of US Universal care described in your math.

https://www.missiledefenseadvocacy.org/missile-defense-systems-2/missile-defense-systems/missile-interceptors-by-cost/

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/529624/how-israel-s-iron-dome-stops-missile-attacks-and-how-much-it-costs

Title: Re: Molten glass
Post by Needles on 03/04/26 at 07:09:44

Your arguments are the reasons why we need to focus on society raher than War. Supporting a pedo MAGAT is what the secret deep state oligarch billionaires want you to do. BUT, you're a MAGAT, so you don't care. You pretend to criticize Trumpedo, but, like the 20 DINOs in office, you always back the orange bastard.

::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

Title: Re: Molten glass
Post by Serowbot on 03/04/26 at 13:42:00

we're shooting down $50,000 Drones with $1,000,000 rockets
Iran is winning the math

Title: Re: Molten glass
Post by Eegore on 03/04/26 at 15:33:54

Your arguments are the reasons why we need to focus on society raher than War.

My argument is no reasonable person would consider one week of war capable of funding Universal US healthcare/Medicaid/Education "for decades" to be anything more than a complete line of BS blatantly stated to rile up the excessively ignorant.

Supporting a pedo MAGAT is what the secret deep state oligarch billionaires want you to do. BUT, you're a MAGAT, so you don't care. You pretend to criticize Trumpedo, but, like the 20 DINOs in office, you always back the orange bastard.

Like I said, you can't comprehend that anything but blind agreement to everything you say to be anything other than Trump support. I get it, you have to use this strategy because when you do not have any substance to your position, you have to result to lying or insults, or both.

There's no way the math you present is accurate. That's it. Trump can still be a criminal, and your lying sources can still be lying to you.

Title: Re: Molten glass
Post by Eegore on 03/04/26 at 15:37:53

we're shooting down $50,000 Drones with $1,000,000 rockets
Iran is winning the math

This is true which is why multiple are never targeted. Million dollar missiles aren't used to kill the drone, they are used to protect what the drone will destroy. It's like saying we used a 10 million dollar aircraft to stop a 3000 dollar drone boat. Not a good idea unless that drone boat was going to sink that 70 million dollar aircraft carrier.

Long term the cheap drone strategy will work as long as it is exclusively drone to missile combat.

Title: Re: Molten glass
Post by WebsterMark on 03/04/26 at 15:56:01

4553445941545942360 wrote:

we're shooting down $50,000 Drones with $1,000,000 rockets
Iran is winning the math

That’s a ridiculous TDS infected comment. Do you even listen to yourself or are your ears blocked as you twist yourself in a pretzel?

Title: Re: Molten glass
Post by zevenenergie on 03/05/26 at 00:27:06

The West's ammunition shortage, and the exorbitant costs of replenishing it. And the long time it will take, is a weakness.
Low-cost production capacity is a strength.

If we ignore nuclear weapons, it's abundantly clear who would win a protracted war.
America also can't supply its partners with fuel for a long time.

If you look at Venezuela (oil), you begin to understand the geopolitical situation.

America is taking care of its energy supply.
Israel wants oil supplies in the Middle East because it is currently dependent on Kazakhstan, its largest supplier (via the Mediterranean Sea),
and Azerbaijan, its second-largest supplier.

So the war isn't at all about the threat from Iran, and Iran knows that. Israel wants oil from the Middle East.

America and Israel are defending themselves against China's geopolitics. Because that will sooner or later cut off the energy supply from Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan.

That's also why the war in Iran won't end within a month.
It will only stop when Arab oil exporters start supplying Israel.
And then you get the whole shebang to protect those interests.

In short:
A situation is being created where Arab oil exporters are made dependent on Israel.And then Israel takes over.

Completely self-conceived, of course. Not an opinion, but an option nonetheless.

But not a crazy one. 75% of the weapons in Saudi Arabia come from America, and they're probably easy to disable, even if only through continuous maintenance, spare parts, and software updates.
Electronic sabotage is a typical Israeli tactic and they're very good at it.

Title: Re: Molten glass
Post by WebsterMark on 03/05/26 at 04:44:05

3D2231222922292235202E22470 wrote:

I’m not sure whose unreasonable hatred is stronger, Sew’s hatred of Trump or your hatred of Jews.

Title: Re: Molten glass
Post by Needles on 03/05/26 at 07:18:57

At this point, anyone who still backs Trumpedo is as un-American as you can get. Y'all are really close to being Nazis. Hence my penchant for pointing out hat stupid a$$es you MAGATs are. There IS a "deep state"--- it's the capitalist oligarchs running Congress.

:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

Title: Re: Molten glass
Post by zevenenergie on 03/06/26 at 03:33:41

Dear Web,

I don't hate Israelis that much. But I've seen enough atrocities in Israeli settlements over the years, and beyond. Israeli politics combined with Mossat is far from innocent. Netanyahu is the most cunning and cruel politician alive. These kinds of people should never be allowed into politics because they bring about nothing but destruction.
And they don't hesitate to sacrifice people for political gain.

But that's what Israelis are primarily concerned with, by the way. Gain. At the expense of everyone. I've seen some harrowing examples of this and experienced it myself. I know someone from Israel; he's a very clever man. He's fun to be with, but I won't ever do business with him. I see it much the same way as with Italians. I don't trust them one bit.

But what about your hatred of lefties and Arabs? ;)

Title: Re: Molten glass
Post by WebsterMark on 03/06/26 at 05:29:44

544B584B404B404B5C49474B2E0 wrote:

Dear Web,

I don't hate Israelis that much. But I've seen enough atrocities in Israeli settlements over the years, and beyond. Israeli politics combined with Mossat is far from innocent. Netanyahu is the most cunning and cruel politician alive. These kinds of people should never be allowed into politics because they bring about nothing but destruction.
And they don't hesitate to sacrifice people for political gain.

But that's what Israelis are primarily concerned with, by the way. Gain. At the expense of everyone. I've seen some harrowing examples of this and experienced it myself. I know someone from Israel; he's a very clever man. He's fun to be with, but I won't ever do business with him. I see it much the same way as with Italians. I don't trust them one bit.

If those two paragraphs were intended to demonstrate you judge cultures and people by an honest evaluation of their actions and are not antisemitic, they did the opposite

But what about your hatred of lefties and Arabs? ;)

Title: Re: Molten glass
Post by MnSpring on 03/06/26 at 05:54:41

190615060D060D0611040A06630 wrote:

"... I don't hate Israelis that much. ..."

Some people, "hate"
Black, Brown, Yellow, White, etc people,
just ,'because'.

The Vast Majority of people,
that hate other people.
Are those that, Cheat, Steal, Lie, Kill,

Also those that,
refuse to learn the etiquette of where they are,
be part of the community they are now in,
learn the language the VAST majority speak.

And, DEMAND,
others MUST embrace
their Religion, (or lack of).

(A Opinion,
based on
Observed Reality)

Title: Re: Molten glass
Post by zevenenergie on 03/06/26 at 06:44:21

5D6F68797E6F78476B78610A0 wrote:

[quote author=544B584B404B404B5C49474B2E0 link=1772413517/15#19 date=1772796821]Dear Web,

I don't hate Israelis that much. But I've seen enough atrocities in Israeli settlements over the years, and beyond. Israeli politics combined with Mossat is far from innocent. Netanyahu is the most cunning and cruel politician alive. These kinds of people should never be allowed into politics because they bring about nothing but destruction.
And they don't hesitate to sacrifice people for political gain.

But that's what Israelis are primarily concerned with, by the way. Gain. At the expense of everyone. I've seen some harrowing examples of this and experienced it myself. I know someone from Israel; he's a very clever man. He's fun to be with, but I won't ever do business with him. I see it much the same way as with Italians. I don't trust them one bit.

If those two paragraphs were intended to demonstrate you judge cultures and people by an honest evaluation of their actions and are not antisemitic, they did the opposite

But what about your hatred of lefties and Arabs? ;)

I don’t hate all lefties as I have many family members and most young people lean left. But for many, especially the young, it’s a default position. That’s why I say conservatives are the adult in the room. I do hate those who study the issues(at least they say they do I’m not sure about that)and still support lunacy. Gender reassignment surgery for minors, boys in woman’s sports, unrestricted abortion, yes I hate those people who are smart enough to know better but actively push this ideology.

However, keep in mind hate is not the opposite of love. God said “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”

The opposite of love is indifference. [/quote]

I am not free from hatred or projections. I am very aware of the forces that exist within me. I know that we strongly disagree on the Palestinian issue, so I also understand your assessment.

I see very clearly that the unconscious conviction of a culture can be very harmful. With the Israelis, it's that they are the promised people and have a right to the promised land.
And lo and behold, they never seek a balanced way of living together.
When I look at Muslims, they have a duty to defend their faith with violence and, according to them, Islam is the true revelation of God.

These are both deep conditions, the real reason for the wars in the Middle East.

So I don't see the Jewish people as innocent, but you're not allowed to say anything about Jews. Why?

I like to think freely and speak freely. And I think Israel is behaving criminally in the world. And there is indeed a genocidal movement going on in Gaza. You know that too, but you think it's justified. And that points to hatred and fear.I don't judge you for this, but I do recognize it.

You write:
However, keep in mind hate is not the opposite of love. God said “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated"

“The LORD has spoken to you, and you ask, ‘How has your love for us been shown?’ Was not Esau Jacob’s brother? declares the LORD, ‘Yet I have loved Jacob, but I have hated Esau. I have made his mountains a wasteland and given his inheritance to the jackals of the wilderness.’”

I think you have to be very careful with biblical texts. People are all too willing to act in God's name.

Title: Re: Molten glass
Post by MnSpring on 03/06/26 at 07:02:30

6E7162717A717A7166737D71140 wrote:

You write:
However, keep in mind hate is not the opposite of love. God said “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated"
“The LORD has spoken to you, and you ask, ‘How has your love for us been shown?’ Was not Esau Jacob’s brother? declares the LORD, ‘Yet I have loved Jacob, but I have hated Esau. I have made his mountains a wasteland and given his inheritance to the jackals of the wilderness.’” I think you have to be very careful with biblical texts. People are all too willing to act in God's name.

Who Is

(You write) ?????

Title: Re: Molten glass
Post by zevenenergie on 03/06/26 at 07:22:38

Throughout the ages, these confrontations of identities have resulted in many wars and battles.

However, with modern weapon technology, the consequences of these disputes are becoming very serious.

The Vedas speak of the great shaking, because identities cannot help but collide. This great shaking will continue until we awaken from our deepest beliefs, conditioning, and subtle ego layers.

But what awakens? It is not that something is added to us. We will dissolve, and that which watches everything, which never changes or is influenced, awakens.

Also called Elohim, Allah, Brahman, God.

It is inevitable.

Title: Re: Molten glass
Post by zevenenergie on 03/06/26 at 07:23:55

42615C7F7D6661680F0 wrote:

[quote author=6E7162717A717A7166737D71140 link=1772413517/15#22 date=1772808261]
You write:
However, keep in mind hate is not the opposite of love. God said “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated"
“The LORD has spoken to you, and you ask, ‘How has your love for us been shown?’ Was not Esau Jacob’s brother? declares the LORD, ‘Yet I have loved Jacob, but I have hated Esau. I have made his mountains a wasteland and given his inheritance to the jackals of the wilderness.’” I think you have to be very careful with biblical texts. People are all too willing to act in God's name.

Who Is

(You write) ?????

[/quote]

Web.
I looked up the text of his quote with chat GPT

Book of Malachi 1:2–3

Quoted in Epistle to the Romans 9:13

Web says the opposite of love is indifference.
I disagree; I believe ignorance is the opposite of love.

I think love is a neutral, subtile, meditative intelligence.
It is certainly not indifferent, but not focusing our attention there, the not noticing, not knowing or denying of that subtle meditative intelligence in us, causes all the misery in the world. And that is why Jesus said they know not what they do.
This ignorance is caused by the obfuscation of the incessant stream of thoughts, and identification with thought. Also called ego.

Title: Re: Molten glass
Post by thumperclone on 03/06/26 at 11:34:44

if Vedas was the answer the world would not be in the state it is

Title: Re: Molten glass
Post by zevenenergie on 03/06/26 at 13:01:21

Give it a try.

Title: Re: Molten glass
Post by thumperclone on 03/06/26 at 14:15:43

" Beyond human perception"
cows are not sacred

Title: Re: Molten glass
Post by zevenenergie on 03/07/26 at 02:43:28

You can keep eating steak.
How you treat cows has nothing to do with enlightenment.
Viewing a cow as sacred is only part of a spiritual lifestyle or practice.

There is a small ascetic movement within Hinduism. They are known for very extreme spiritual practices.

They are called the Aghori.

They sometimes meditate at cremation grounds and sometimes even use human remains during rituals.
For example, they remove human corpses from the Ganges and meditate on them, thus extracting the last remaining human divine energy within a corpse and incorporating it into themselves.

They believe that everything in the universe is a manifestation of the divine, including things normally considered impure or taboo. They expose themselves to everything we consider disgusting. They eat spoiled meat, feces, drink urine, and...
Many Aghori live or meditate at cremation grounds along the Ganges.

They are often devoted to Shiva, especially in his destructive and transformative forms.

Their goal is to break through all social taboos and dualities (pure/impure, good/bad). To realize that everything is one with the divine. And ultimately, to achieve spiritual liberation.

And it works, many Agoris have become enlightened throughout the centuries.

Here's a video of someone who wants to visit the Agoris and makes a documentary about it. They think they'll find a beautiful spiritual path and accidentally come into contact with a real Agori, not a fake version.And then quickly goes back to a fake version.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfQjarePbys&t=52s

Title: Re: Molten glass
Post by WebsterMark on 03/07/26 at 03:40:01

617E6D7E757E757E697C727E1B0 wrote:

[quote author=5D6F68797E6F78476B78610A0 link=1772413517/15#20 date=1772803784][quote author=544B584B404B404B5C49474B2E0 link=1772413517/15#19 date=1772796821]Dear Web,

I don't hate Israelis that much. But I've seen enough atrocities in Israeli settlements over the years, and beyond. Israeli politics combined with Mossat is far from innocent. Netanyahu is the most cunning and cruel politician alive. These kinds of people should never be allowed into politics because they bring about nothing but destruction.
And they don't hesitate to sacrifice people for political gain.

But that's what Israelis are primarily concerned with, by the way. Gain. At the expense of everyone. I've seen some harrowing examples of this and experienced it myself. I know someone from Israel; he's a very clever man. He's fun to be with, but I won't ever do business with him. I see it much the same way as with Italians. I don't trust them one bit.

If those two paragraphs were intended to demonstrate you judge cultures and people by an honest evaluation of their actions and are not antisemitic, they did the opposite

But what about your hatred of lefties and Arabs? ;)

I don’t hate all lefties as I have many family members and most young people lean left. But for many, especially the young, it’s a default position. That’s why I say conservatives are the adult in the room. I do hate those who study the issues(at least they say they do I’m not sure about that)and still support lunacy. Gender reassignment surgery for minors, boys in woman’s sports, unrestricted abortion, yes I hate those people who are smart enough to know better but actively push this ideology.

However, keep in mind hate is not the opposite of love. God said “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”

The opposite of love is indifference. [/quote]

I am not free from hatred or projections. I am very aware of the forces that exist within me. I know that we strongly disagree on the Palestinian issue, so I also understand your assessment.

I see very clearly that the unconscious conviction of a culture can be very harmful. With the Israelis, it's that they are the promised people and have a right to the promised land.
And lo and behold, they never seek a balanced way of living together.That is not accurate. Israeli citizens gather in the street and protest Netanyahu‘s actions. There’s a debate going on with Israel how to respond. However, the single most important bottom line to this is: If Israel laid down all of its weapons, the Arab states would immediately attack and destroy it. If the Arab states laid down all their weapons, there would be a chance of peace. That’s the difference. That’s what you have to keep in mind. That’s reality.
When I look at Muslims, they have a duty to defend their faith with violence and, according to them, Islam is the true revelation of God.

These are both deep conditions, the real reason for the wars in the Middle East.

So I don't see the Jewish people as innocent, but you're not allowed to say anything about Jews. Why?

I like to think freely and speak freely. And I think Israel is behaving criminally in the world. And there is indeed a genocidal movement going on in Gaza. You know that too, but you think it's justified. And that points to hatred and fear.I don't judge you for this, but I do recognize it.

You write:
However, keep in mind hate is not the opposite of love. God said “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated"

“The LORD has spoken to you, and you ask, ‘How has your love for us been shown?’ Was not Esau Jacob’s brother? declares the LORD, ‘Yet I have loved Jacob, but I have hated Esau. I have made his mountains a wasteland and given his inheritance to the jackals of the wilderness.’”

I think you have to be very careful with biblical texts. People are all too willing to act in God's name.

[/quote]

Title: Re: Molten glass
Post by thumperclone on 03/07/26 at 04:44:52

the divine is beyond human perception

Title: Re: Molten glass
Post by zevenenergie on 03/07/26 at 05:23:19

Yes, that's right.
But you can feel the effect if you focus your attention on the divine.

Because you can't perceive the divine and you don't know it, you have to focus on the nothingness within yourself: the silence.
I don't know how it works, but it does.

Try it.

Title: Re: Molten glass
Post by Needles on 03/07/26 at 05:43:18

That's why I do not accept anyone's religion. No human, and no book written by humans, can describe the infinite. Words themselves are limited, and so inadequate to describe the infinite. Science has recently confirmed that we humans only experience 5% of reality. How can anyone who has a grasp of logic think they have solved the "mystery" of "God"? They would have to be wrong. Humans can only understand a part of HOW the universe works--- that's called Physics or Taoism, depending on perspective. ANY claim that actions are directed or proclaimed by ANY Diety has to be wrong. You cannot understand the whole universe. You cannot understand the concept of "God". Therefore, a God is a lie.

8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)

Title: Re: Molten glass
Post by zevenenergie on 03/08/26 at 03:51:37

7B505051595046350 wrote:

For the same reason, the infinite would then also be a lie. And therefore your favorite Taoism would be also nonsense.
So how is it that you only accept your faith?

Title: Re: Molten glass
Post by Needles on 03/08/26 at 05:58:43

Infinite is not a lie; it's a description of observation, though I do appreciate the mental gymnastics you had to go through to justify your belief in non-observed incidents.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Molten glass
Post by thumperclone on 03/08/26 at 08:49:50

647B687B707B707B6C79777B1E0 wrote:

It's your method to justify your existance

Title: Re: Molten glass
Post by Needles on 03/08/26 at 09:08:46

There is no "divine". Taoist meditation is not Buddhist or western meditation. The Zen concept of "no mind" was superimposed onto Taoist practices, but is not the same. Even Buddhists are wary of "divinity". "If you meet the Buddha on the road, kill him." Buddhism seeks to discover the inner self, or true identity. Taoism seeks to set it free. Taoism also recognizes "gods" as shorthand for natural processes, an intellectual position that the Abrahamaic religions have forgotten. That's what "blind faith" ends up giving you.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D