Hey Bill, I'd be real careful the way things are going .....


She's one serious homicidal bitach and she jest wants to KILL BILL  !!!

She's cold, Bill .....


   ..... really really cold .....


                  ..... colder that you would believe possible .......


                                     ..... You ain't buying her off wid flowers or a glass of wine.


You are right though, she does like red and she does like to slip things away .....  


          your arms, your legs, your pride -- you name it -- she'll slip it right off ya  


                                                             ....... and she is coming for you, you know that, right? 


      and she wants you to know that she wants you to know she's coming for you !!

Dunno, hadn't heard from him for a while .....


..... mmmmm, ya don't suppose she's already got him?

This is a great topic!

I check my oil frequently using the "get on my right knee, pull the handle bar with my left hand/arm, brace my left hip in to the bike (when cool) and look at the window".

I do that because of that little oil weepage at the top right cylinder bolt by the exhaust that I can not tighten.  I smell the oil but never really see it accumulate.

Can anyone suggest an aftermarket center stand?

I built one long time ago, but it didn't hold up to the thinner material it was mounted to. If I was rebuilding a Savage, it would be easy to get the mounting more secure w/ the frame upside down.
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 11/12/10 at 07:29:47:

Bill, what's that ??  


You jest don't see eye to eye wid us on this here oil checking method?


("squish" goes the ocular, mushin' & oozing up between the toes)


She's cold, Bill  -- we done told ya that ....    jest plain mean

Well, at 180 lbs, & If you enjoy some peg draggin, then, maYbe I was off base. I said that because the Guzzi Nevada, much taller bike, would drag the centerstand & jack the bike off the ground. Pretty scary.

Here is the full hot test that has been added to the original Tech oil level poll thingie.   It specifies that you need to do the full hot test to your bike using your oil at your own maximum operating temperature so you can understand what 10-12 percent hot oil expansion does to your particular set up.

Yeah, do it at least once to make sure you are still fully good with your side stand check oil level (with your shocks, your side stand and garage level, etc, etc, etc).





WARNING NOTICE !!


Out of the window war and related side wars has come an important hot test to perform on your particular bike after you have picked your side stand oil in the window level.

The test is simple, after picking your handlebar alignment and resting condition, put your oil level stone cold where you want it to be for easy visibility.

Then ON A LEVEL SURFACE crank your fresh hot from a ride bike up, get it to a good idling rate (at least 1,000 rpm) and get somebody else to hold it straight upright while you shine a flashlight into the oil window with the bike running at idle.

Ideally,  you would like to see an empty window -- but many do not.    
If you see more than half a sight glass on this hot run test, then you need to take out some oil !!

You know the window empties completely when you crank it cold, cause you have already done this test with the bike stone cold.   What has changed is that your oil went from garage cold to engine hot -- oil expands when hot to the formula 0.0004 / degree F, so for a 250-300 degree F delta-T you get like a 10-12.0% change in oil volume.

10-12% is a significant enough change in oil volume for you to do the check again when the engine is full from just running hot.

On my bike I get just under half a window held upright when hot idling when I set the oil level to half a window on the sidestand with everything stone cold.  I am lucky, what I see stone cold on the side stand is just about what I see on the hot held vertical test.  You likely are not that lucky .....

You can't ASSume this works out this way for you, your garage isn't at the same degree of level as mine (mine isn't perfectly level) and my side stand is slightly bent and I use a sidestand adder magnet on the foot of my side stand and my oil expands like RotSyn expands (your oil likely expands differently).  

You have to check your own situation to find out your hot expansion truth.

UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES should you see a full oil window when idling a fully hot engine held bolt upright.
 
This would put you in danger of splashing oil with your crankshaft.  You need a half window or more of oil clearance to the crank splash shelf with your worst cast oil expansion due to hot engine temperatures -- a full window of clearance is of course the "optimum desired" amount but many do not get this on the hot test.