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Reply #75 - 12/08/25 at 15:08:29
 
"The US Coast Guard on Friday released video of its forces shooting out the engines of a suspected smuggling boat and arresting the crew, a successful interdiction that raises fresh questions about why the Pentagon is carrying out lethal strikes on drug smugglers in the same region.
The footage, reported by Fox News, shows a Coast Guard sniper disabling a “go-fast” vessel during Operation Pacific Viper before officers board and detain those on board. The service said more than 20,000 pounds of cocaine were seized — the largest at-sea haul in over 18 years.
The mission occurred in the eastern Pacific, where a Pentagon strike earlier this week killed four suspected smugglers. The Coast Guard’s ability to stop traffickers without deadly force is fueling scrutiny over the necessity and legality of the Pentagon’s lethal operations." McGill




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Reply #76 - 12/08/25 at 15:27:32
 
Serowbot wrote on 12/08/25 at 13:05:49:
"... Oh,... Springy, our number one MAGA nut  
Way to think for yourself Springy ..."


Better than PARROTING,  what Grijalva says.

Grijalva also is speaking for most of the entire length of Arizona’s border with Mexico !
(Which includes the very UL county of Pima.
  And the home of Bot in Tucson).


Her 'KARREN', and Gimmie attitude, is so apparent.

She has learned how to lie, just like, Ilhan Omar did when she was first elected !

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Which is More TRUE, today, than yesterday.('06, S-40, Stock) well, mostly .
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Reply #77 - 12/08/25 at 15:48:42
 
Another point of view I read. No idea if it’s legally valid.

A boat in international waters that is not running a national flag is categorized in international law the same way a pirate is. Such boats have absolutely no national or international protections, and you cannot commit a war crime against them.
A vessel in international waters is required under UNCLOS to sail under the flag of a specific nation. If it does not, it is legally considered a stateless vessel. A stateless vessel has no right to the protections normally afforded to ships under a national flag, including immunity from interference by other states.
UNCLOS Articles 92, 94, 110, and customary maritime law spell out the consequences clearly:
1. Stateless vessels have no sovereign protection. A flagged ship is an extension of its flag-state’s sovereignty. A stateless vessel is not. This matters because “war crimes” presuppose protected persons or protected property. A stateless vessel is legally unprotected.
2. Any state may stop, board, search, seize, or disable, a stateless vessel. UNCLOS Article 110 explicitly authorizes boarding and seizure. The law does not require states to risk their own personnel or assets while doing so. Disabling a vessel that refuses inspection, including firing on it, is legally permitted under both UNCLOS and long-established state practice.
3. War crimes require an armed conflict. You cannot commit a “war crime” outside an armed conflict. War crimes occur only within the context of international humanitarian law (IHL). Enforcing maritime law against a stateless vessel is a law enforcement action, not an IHL situation.
No armed conflict = no war crime possible.
4. Lethal force may be used when a vessel refuses lawful orders. The International Maritime Organization’s “Use of Force” guidance for maritime interdiction recognizes that disabling fire, even lethal force, is lawful when a vessel refuses lawful boarding, attempts to flee, poses a threat, or engages in illicit activities such as piracy or narcotics trafficking.
Once again: law enforcement rules apply, not IHL.
5. Sinking a stateless vessel is not prohibited by UNCLOS. UNCLOS permits seizure of a stateless vessel and leaves the means entirely to the enforcing state so long as necessity and proportionality are respected. If the vessel flees, attacks, or refuses lawful commands, sinking it is legally permissible. Many states routinely do this to drug-smuggling vessels (e.g., semi-submersibles) without it ever being treated as a war crime.
6. No flag = no jurisdictional shield. The entire reason international law requires ships to fly a flag is to prevent this exact situation. Flagless vessels are legally vulnerable by design.
Because a stateless vessel has no protected status, because UNCLOS authorizes interdiction of such vessels, because lethal force may be used in maritime law enforcement when necessary, and because war crimes require an armed conflict that is not present here, sinking an unflagged ship in international waters is not a war crime.
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Reply #78 - 12/08/25 at 16:51:55
 

 I am not a lawyer.

A boat in international waters that is not running a national flag is categorized in international law the same way a pirate is. Such boats have absolutely no national or international protections, and you cannot commit a war crime against them.


 I would say this applies to "Internationally recognized" war crimes.  Certainly war crimes established by a single nation can be applied specifically to actions of those from that nation.  I am not a lawyer.

 I am not a lawyer.
No armed conflict = no war crime possible.

 Not necessarily.  Proportionality and necessity apply, and to look at this from another perspective, if unarmed enforcement tortures sailors under no flag without using armament, is the torture no longer a "war crime"?  I am not a lawyer.


 I am not a lawyer.

 These statements apply to "war crimes" but actions of force by a designated nation do apply to "Maritime Law".  If it happens during an armed conflict the rules change; attacking shipwrecked, wounded, or surrendered individuals is a war crime under the Geneva Conventions, even if the vessel was previously deemed a legitimate target.  I am not a lawyer.

 So basically "war crimes" may not apply, but "murder" may still apply by means of Maritime law, or by individual Nation judicial process.  I am not a lawyer.


Good reading from the Naval War College:

https://digital-commons.usnwc.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3102&context=ils

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Reply #79 - 12/08/25 at 17:34:11
 
Needles wrote on 12/08/25 at 15:08:29:
"... US Coast Guard ... shooting out the engines of a suspected smuggling boat and arresting the crew, ... more than 20,000 pounds of cocaine were seized ..."


 GREAT !!!!!!!

Standing on shore of a body of water. Toes in the water, One way (16 miles) can see only the green tops of trees.
The other way, 21 miles, can see ONLY water. No land, No tree tops.

Don't know how high a CG boat is on the water, so, (again guessing), they can see, on the water, what, 40-60 miles ?

A airplane/copter, could see, 100's of miles over the water.

How many more, "Go Fast", boats carrying drugs can be seen from the air ?

US armed 'fast' boats, are ONE Tool.







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Reply #80 - 12/09/25 at 01:05:28
 
We live in a comfortable, false sense of security, and we don't see what,s really happening.


Those drug ships that are sunk do have the means on board to ruin the lives of your children and grandchildren. Nowadays, all drugs are laced with fentanyl, because that's easy to produce and highly addictive.

We could also look at other ways how the mafia, made up of psychopaths and people with psychological problems, is disrupting the world in ways so cruel that it's unimaginable.
That's what we shoot, and that's what we sink. I don't see what's wrong with that.

And it's also a signal to everyone working in government who is involved in any way in matters that undermine society.
If you know you're wrong, you're no longer protected by the law or your corrupt friends. Is it then still safe to engage in corruption and fraud?

I don,t  worry about a few deaths on a ship like that; they bring more overdose cases per shipment than you can count on your fingers.


What would you choose for your children? A serious addiction with the possibility of an overdose and a complete destruction of their lives if they experiment with relatively harmless substances laced with fentanyl? Or a grenade aimed precisely at guilty people?

Because that's the real choice we're talking about.
I know what I would choose.
And as a government, I would also start producing and supplying safe drugs ourselves.
After all, China is deliberately poisoning the West with fentanyl.
And you're taking the wind out of the mafia's sails.

You have to take measures that make sense. Just say no isn't working.



The government should address real problems and not adhere to ideologies.
For example, in our country, the number of young people with psychological problems is spiraling out of control, and the cause is the humongous lack of housing. But building houses is made practically impossible by left-wing ideologies.
I propose simply overriding all laws that prevent house building and then sticking a grenade up the ass of anyone who protests.

That way, you solve a lot of problems at once and give people with a tight ass some space.

I understand that it's all a tiny bit harsh. Ultimately, we have to realize that we have to solve the problems together, and it requires more than just endlessly patting people on the head. Solving problems always involves breaking through established patterns.

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Reply #81 - 12/09/25 at 03:00:11
 
And law has to do with rights. But what are rights? Do you really have them? Everything has to do with tolerance. So don't overdo it, because if tolerance disappears, just see what happens. And as far as I'm concerned, the boats with drugs are way over what we can tolerate.

We are not dealing whit naughty children here.
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Reply #82 - 12/09/25 at 06:18:16
 
Your guy, MAGATs:

Trump said, "What's illegal are... the drugs being sent into our country, and the fact that 300 million people died last year from drugs."

There are 340 million total IN the US, so that's a lie, but you, the pseudo lawyer, and the rest of the MAGATs here will defend his dumbass. Go for it. Nobody believes you. Oh, and, if there are only 40 million of us left, shouldn't a lot of states be losing Reps in Congress?




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Reply #83 - 12/09/25 at 07:22:11
 

There are 340 million total IN the US, so that's a lie, but you, the pseudo lawyer, and the rest of the MAGATs here will defend his dumbass.

 You are so reactive and illogical you can't see I never supported these strikes in any way.  Calling your fuel argument pointless is not defending anything, including Trump.  Your inability to have an adult conversation prohibits you from acknowledging this.  

 The White House is just going to say Trump meant worldwide, not in the US exclusively, or just ignore it.
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Reply #84 - 12/09/25 at 07:43:27
 
What are you babbling about NOW?




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Reply #85 - 12/09/25 at 07:45:10
 
Before anyone talks about “bombing fishing boats” or “stopping fentanyl from Venezuela,” here are the actual facts:
🔹 Distance:
The closest point between Venezuela and the United States is 1,073 miles.
That’s over a thousand miles of open ocean.
🔹 Fishing boats:
A typical fishing boat would need 6–12 full tanks of fuel to even attempt that trip.
It’s not a realistic trafficking route — it’s not even physically practical.
🔹 How much fentanyl comes from Venezuela?
Virtually none.
Venezuela is not a source country for fentanyl going into the United States.
🔹 Where U.S. fentanyl actually comes from:
• China supplies most of the precursor chemicals
• Mexico manufactures the illicit fentanyl
• Fentanyl enters mostly through ports of entry by land, hidden in vehicles — not fishing boats
So the idea that Venezuelan fishing boats are flooding the U.S. with fentanyl is not just wrong — it’s physically impossible.
If we want to solve the fentanyl crisis, we have to start with facts, not myths.






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Reply #86 - 12/09/25 at 08:33:12
 
🔹 Distance:
The closest point between Venezuela and the United States is 1,073 miles.
That’s over a thousand miles of open ocean.
🔹 Fishing boats:
A typical fishing boat would need 6–12 full tanks of fuel to even attempt that trip.
It’s not a realistic trafficking route — it’s not even physically practical.


 Doesn't matter.  The objective is not to destroy a boat heading for the US.  The objective is to destroy the boat operators and the contents within the boat.

 The audacity to think people can't articulate the possibility that a vessel carrying items could transport those items to another vessel.  Fuel has nothing to do with any of this.
 
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Reply #87 - 12/09/25 at 14:33:26
 
Ahh, and so, WHERE are these "other boats"?  Do other people see these "other boats"?

And, just out of curiosity, why wouldn't the "smuggler" fishing boats just be watched until they met up with these "other boats" and THEN blown up, or legally stopped, boarded, and all on board both arrested? That would still be illegal, amounting to piracy, but it would at least not be murder.

You MAGATs are entertaining, in a weird, Gary Larsen sort of way...



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Ahh, and so, WHERE are these "other boats"?  Do other people see these "other boats"?

 
Doesn't matter.  The objective is not to destroy a boat heading for the US.  The objective is to destroy the boat operators and the contents within the boat.  


"And, just out of curiosity, why wouldn't the "smuggler" fishing boats just be watched until they met up with these "other boats" and THEN blown up, or legally stopped, boarded, and all on board both arrested? That would still be illegal, amounting to piracy, but it would at least not be murder."

 I have no idea.  Probably because if there were no drugs then the truth would be harder to cover up.  Fuel volume is still not a valid argument.  Nobody thinks a boat must have enough fuel on-board to reach the US in order to smuggle illicit product that would eventually end up in the US.  

 Except for you who says it "cannot be smuggling" of course.  

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Reply #89 - Yesterday at 05:56:13
 
We, the US, EXECUTED Japanese Generals in WWII for killing shipwrecked sailors. It's a war crime.





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