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07/20/24 at 18:49:33
 
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Reply #1 - 07/20/24 at 20:27:24
 

 I don't agree with the logic that a larger caliber round would be used.  How much sense would it make for another sniper being used to frame this kid to use a totally different ammunition type?

 The cell phone audio is compelling, but having heard tons and tons of those videos I can say they are very inconsistent.  The noise cancelling alone has made multiple shots, made by me, sound like they are from two totally different firearms.  IF we had good audio from Trump's perspective that would be ideal.

 Also, if there is a second shooter, why the hell would they be right in naked-eye view of all those humans there?  Logic would say to put the second shooter in a considerably more concealed position than what is proposed here.  

 I get the idea of two shooters, two similar if not identical ammo/weapon types, but why in plain view?  And no I don't think the "everyone is too stupid to figure it out" logic is sound.
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Reply #2 - 07/21/24 at 01:16:45
 
A study of the video showing where Trump is looking, which way his nose is pointed, and a line drawn from his ear,shows where the bullet came from.  
But that won't happen.
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Reply #3 - 07/21/24 at 05:33:48
 
 The problem with that is the human head is not 90 edge and the ear protrudes.  The nose-point method assumes Trump is looking directly at the shooter at the exact time the shot is fired, but he could be looking as far as 10 or more degrees to either side and still have his ear hit.  

 A one degree difference at the point of impact can be hundreds of feet apart at distance.  

 It's a proven science used for centuries by sailors, and today by pilots, snipers, even cake decorators, but acknowledging that won't happen.

 I still don't think a second shooter would be placed in plain view on a roof like the video calculates with hundreds of people around that can see it.  
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Reply #4 - 07/21/24 at 06:41:03
 
Where the nose is pointed does it.
When the nose is where it was when The Bullet hit, the line on the ear From the bullet, points to where the bullet came from.

One degree, blahh,blahh,blahh,, IF there was more than one shooter and IF they weren't in each other's pocket,  then,, finish it yourself.
Why don't ya make a few calls and see if Columbo would give that a go?
It could prove nothing, if it's aimed at Dead Crooks,, but if it's Not,, well now..
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Reply #5 - 07/21/24 at 07:12:32
 
One degree, blahh,blahh,blahh,, IF there was more than one shooter and IF they weren't in each other's pocket,  then,, finish it yourself.

 Yeah like I said, acknowledging basic math isn't going to happen.

 You can't tell the exact location of a shooter based off the human nose because the ear can be hit from multiple angles, even from the front, as it protrudes from the head.  Angles increase in degree with distance.  At what angle was his ear shot?  Was it exactly 90 degrees?  How can the human nose prove that?  

 The problem here is there are only a few vantage points in that area to make that shot and the video available doesn't give a good enough indication of primary position at point of contact.  If anything the point of impact behind Trump COMBINED with another exact point of reference is needed to "draw a line" to a location.  A single end point is guesswork at best.

 Millions of humans are watching the videos of the shooting and one guy on a motorcycle forum figured it out.
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Reply #6 - 07/21/24 at 10:42:06
 
Here's another analysis from a guy that did a lot on the bridge collapse...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7PdhHC2zr0
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Reply #7 - 07/22/24 at 17:08:37
 
Twenty minutes,, inexcusable.
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Reply #8 - 07/23/24 at 22:00:33
 
 20 minutes is extremely long.  Why is the phone footage of him moving up the roof so much closer to the shooting time?

 So I asked 6 ballistic analysts their opinion in regard to measuring Trumps nose position to point to the shooter's location.  2 have responded but only one wasn't telling me to lay off the CSI re-runs and that ballistics don't work like that:

You are asking for a conclusive mathematical outcome with one number. 2+(unknown number) = (exact number). This is not possible. Even if there were video clean enough to see where his nose "pointed" at the during the impact, the spread would overlay all 3 available planes of possible fire. This prioritizes rooftops. There is a near-zero possibility of using Trump's or anyone's nose to precisely calculate the trajectory of a ballistic round even if we remove altitude in the equation.

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Reply #9 - 07/24/24 at 06:39:34
 
So You say. Any honest attempt at figuring this out would include a reenactment with every bullet strike and injured person position studied. The number of Oopsies,, just a little oversight,, we should have done better events is staggering.
I say ,done right, the Nose points to the shooter ,the size of the strike zone in baseball.
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Reply #10 - 07/24/24 at 08:16:30
 
So You say.

 No, ballistics experts  that have done the job for decades say this.


Any honest attempt at figuring this out would include a reenactment with every bullet strike and injured person position studied. The number of Oopsies,, just a little oversight,, we should have done better events is staggering.

 I agree.  I think however they should use proven methods and actual math.


I say ,done right, the Nose points to the shooter ,the size of the strike zone in baseball.


 Provide more detail.  Everyone that your proposal has been shown to says you can't draw a line to a target by using one point of reference, especially from a human nose due to the shape and distance from the actual point of impact, the ear.

 Also, in another more detailed response it was questioned what geometry you are using to align altitude?  This person stated the exact same thing I did:

How are the angular variations from ear to nose being calculated to eliminate increasing degrees at distance? The ear is impacted at 1 degree from a 1-1 parallel from the "tip" of the nose and you get 18.3 feet separation at 100 yards. How many degrees of angular impact on the ear, measured from 1-1 parallel from the "tip" of the nose are we to calculate?  
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Reply #11 - 07/24/24 at 11:40:02
 
Trump's nose would point to the jumbotron with the chart he was describing
If he had been looking at the shooter, he'd have ducked a bit sooner  Grin
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Reply #12 - 07/24/24 at 19:31:17
 
 There are indeed some angular issues with a rooftop fire, but the upward angles are so tight the second shooter would have been right there in the crowd.  The second shooter is claimed to be on the next rooftop, in plain view, so his shot could not have hit the higher impact points either.

 So there had to be 3 shooters.  2 on the rooftops, and one that shot from the ground, in front of the crowd.
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Reply #13 - 07/25/24 at 06:32:23
 
We're entering JFK territory here,...
the whodunnit where everybody dunnit  Tongue
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Reply #14 - 07/25/24 at 10:37:25
 
Serowbot wrote on 07/25/24 at 06:32:23:
"... the whodunnit ..."


A-yep entering the ‘Twilight Zone’ !

Grassy Knoll -
Drunk driving over a bridge -
Flying a airplane into the Ocean -
Suicide by two gun shots to the back of the head -


The Trump shooting, something we will never know, cause the shooter is dead.

Interesting,
(some would even say it is Proof of the UL, ‘told what to say’  Socialistic Media)

A report (web Media) said the gun used by the shooter, ‘MAY’ have had a collapsible stock, ‘BECAUSE’  it could be concealed easier’.

Would that, be an absolute, considering, the shooter was shot dead ?
Was the shooters gun next to him ?
Did someone pick it up ?

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