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Re: Browsers and AI PC
Reply #60 - 08/08/24 at 08:52:04
 

Another take on the huge value drop in Intel is that it is writing off its existing old processes and support people while concealing this huge shift inside a general economic downturn.

18a is indeed making good samples right now and the sample chips are working about as good as the old stuff ever did.

This means Intel is now ready to pivot over to the new technology and Intel needs to shed the old production processes and all the people that used to service the old stuff.

Laying these people off normally would be VERY expensive to do, but losing it all to a sudden economic downturn means you can stick your hand out for some more government economic help ........

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Re: Browsers and AI PC
Reply #61 - 08/10/24 at 05:39:38
 

https://liliputing.com/lilbits-intel-extends-warranties-for-desktop-chips-but...

Intel extends warranties for desktop chips (but your PC maker may not be following suit)

Last month Intel finally acknowledged issues with its 13th and 14th-gen desktop chips based on Raptor Lake architecture and promised to release microcode updates that would prevent these chips from becoming unstable. They’re starting to roll out now. But if you have one of these chips and it’s already become glitchy and crash-prone, the only fix is to replace the processor.

The good news is that Intel has announced that it’s extending the warranty on these processors by two years. The bad news is that this only helps customers who’ve purchased chips directly from Intel to build or upgrade their own PCs. If, like most people, you buy a pre-built computer then whether or not you’re getting an extended warranty depends on which PC maker you bought your computer from. Some are already committing two an extra two years. Others aren’t making that commitment… at least not yet.


Several review houses state that the chips will continue to decline even if the microcode gets changed because:

1)  inherent degradation has already begun

2)  the inherent designed based flaw remains and anything that stresses the chip in general use will forward the destruction somewhat.

3)  the new microcode fix hobbles the processor by at least 23%, making them weaker than the previous generations of Intel product.


These are the reasons the EU wants Intel to buy you a brand new machine as Intel knew this before they built the processors (or else Intel was totally negligent with their product testing).   Plus, the new replacement Intel chipsets that will meet the advertising claims use different processor sockets, new memory and entirely different motherboards ......

So, to originally sell the things as "high performance processors suitable for AI uses" could be deemed premeditated fraudulent activity according to the current EU standards.

Lawyers are already involved in this mess, and if it goes against Intel it will be a situation Intel may not survive.

"Positioning" of the old vs new Intel that is happening now shows Intel segregating all the damage against the old stuff and keeping the new stuff away from settlement damages.

Look for a new Intel company name to crop up to help segregate the damage.

The old Intel can go bankrupt if that means the new Intel gets to dodge the majority of the settlement costs ........
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Re: Browsers and AI PC
Reply #62 - 08/12/24 at 10:14:24
 

Law practices are lining up to create a "class action" with Intel over the mess they have made.   I count an even dozen practices collecting participants at this time.

The push to get the EU regulators involved is also becoming more defined.

As are Intel's various internal movements to limit the damage that could be done by all of the above.

https://search.brave.com/search?q=class+action+against+Intel&source=desktop&s...
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Reply #63 - 08/13/24 at 15:16:37
 

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/intel-investigated-for-class-...

https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/intel-hit-with-lawsuit-over-dollar...

https://www.reuters.com/legal/intel-is-sued-by-shareholders-alleging-securiti...


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Intel Class Action Lawsuits
Based on the provided search results, there have been multiple class-action lawsuits filed against Intel related to various issues:

CPU Security Flaws (Meltdown and Spectre):
At least three class-action lawsuits were filed in 2018, alleging that Intel failed to disclose the severity of the security vulnerabilities and misrepresented the impact on performance.

Foundry Business Misrepresentation:
A federal class-action lawsuit filed in 2024 alleges that Intel misled shareholders about the performance of its foundry business, including the acceleration of its move to a higher-cost Ireland fabrication facility.

Job and Dividend Cuts:
A proposed class-action lawsuit filed in 2024 claims that Intel fraudulently concealed problems leading to weak results, job cuts, and dividend suspension, causing a significant stock plunge.

Chip Bug (13th and 14th Gen Core Desktop Chips):
Two law firms, Abington Cole + Ellery and Kaplan Gore LLP, are exploring potential class-action lawsuits against Intel for allegedly selling defective processors and failing to provide sufficient compensation.   Also involved is the fact the microcode fix sent out by Intel as "their final answer" results in cutting down processor performance by 23% which all users contacted find completely unacceptable.
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Re: Browsers and AI PC
Reply #64 - 08/16/24 at 06:28:49
 

Future of desktop chips is sorta fuzzy right now ........

"AI PC" has been completely fumbled over at Intel.

Intel is eaten up with overheating, corrosion and death style interrupt issues that are requiring a 23% slowdown to be written into Intel's chip's microcode.    Once again, new microcode and a lot of new replacement processors are required to REALLY fix these current Intel warranty issues.

Yes, Intel is intentionally having to kill any form of what they used to call "competitive advantage" to keep from having to eat more warranty on 100% of the chipsets from the LAST TWO GENERATIONS.

AMD is selling all the processors that they have allocations to build the components for at TSMC, plus now Qualcomm is swinging the ARM AI processor stick for all they are worth.   Samsung is also making ARM PC style processors as is NVIDIA so Intel does not lack for AI PC competitors as they fall on their face right off the starting blocks .......


Intel has run completely out of replacement chipsets.   The new Intel stuff needs a new socket and a new motherboard, so it is not a candidate for making replacement processors for your ailing box.

Furthermore, Intel has just scrapped all plans for their next 20a generation, as 18a is now said to be their only avowed pathway forward.

All current Intel chipsets are being made at TSMC, and these chipsets and chiplets are quite different from previous Intel processes and design generations.
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Re: Browsers and AI PC
Reply #65 - 08/26/24 at 11:31:32
 

ARM AI PC candidates are shipping (successfully).

New AMD generations of AI PC are out now and are shipping at full volume.

https://liliputing.com/milk-v-introduces-new-risc-v-laptop-mini-itx-pc-comput...

.......   and now the RISC V generations from China are out and shipping to testers and the public.



Meanwhile Intel picks itself up from the asphalt having done a face plant right off from the AI PC starting blocks.

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Reply #66 - 09/13/24 at 09:55:04
 

https://nypost.com/2024/08/02/opinion/biden-harris-wasted-8-5-billion-in-taxp...

Lots of folks have spotted that supporting Intel is throwing away their .gov grant money and getting nothing out of it.

Folks are suggesting cutting off Intel as a "bad bet" and spending the .gov dollars on more likely candidates ......
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Reply #67 - 09/13/24 at 12:39:45
 

https://www.techpowerup.com/326524/us-government-could-delay-usd-8-5-billion-...

The $8.5 billion in CHIPS Act assistance intended for Intel from the US government is now expected to be delayed due to the company's ongoing financial struggles. According to a Bloomberg report, the Department of Commerce rejected the initial allocation request, requiring Intel to meet specific objectives and to complete a comprehensive due diligence process before the funds are released.

Can we all say "It ain't gonna ever happen because Intel is too broken to ever pass muster."
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Reply #68 - 09/13/24 at 21:23:56
 

What else is news surrounding this budding Biden-Intel bailout reversal?


Apple is fine and selling a lot of advanced ARM based stuff.

AMD is fine and is selling all the x86 processors that they have chiplet wafer allocations at TSMC to make.

Qualcomm is making and selling a lot of their AI PC chips for laptops.

Samsung has yield issues again, which are crippling their AI PC efforts at the moment.

Intel is eat up with the shits over their class action lawsuit actions, being out of production on their old style stuff due to having pushed the high amps too high and simply internally frying the last two generations of large Intel processors.   Folks now realize that a replacement motherboard is needed as the new processors past this point are way way too different to drop into the existing box.

Intel is having a few developmental difficulties at this time with their 18a product for both yield and performance style issues.

Intel Foundry is having problems holding on to their first batches of foundry customers due to current non-performance issues.

Read this for a current Intel snapshot.

https://www.nextplatform.com/2024/08/02/the-resurrection-of-intel-will-take-m...





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