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Reply #30 - 10/29/23 at 04:56:51
 
WebsterMark wrote on 10/29/23 at 03:44:24:
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WebsterMark wrote on 10/28/23 at 14:07:22:
I’m not willing to pi$$ money away on most of the useless $hit proposed by leftist. I’d support spending money for honest to God programs that produced.

How does one measure success?
A patient that doesn't kill will be wasted money on the wrong person.
A person that does kill will be failed treatment.
Any shooter not being treated is one that the program missed.
Any shooter that is being treated is obviously a failure.
100% failure rate


Do you have any idea the billions of dollars wasted on Covid economic recovery funds? It was an absolute joke. You could’ve sent every person in the country a check and it would’ve been cheaper and more effective. And it’s often cited and 100% true, if you look at the money, we spent on the war on poverty, my god, what a ridiculous joke. So no, I don’t want you, people, and yes, I said you people, to come up with some program that employs 100 people to “help” 1 person. No, I’m done with that.



Perfectly timed article this morning:
The Food Insecurity Scam Is Even Worse Than The Poverty Scam
October 27, 2023/ Francis Menton
Periodically I post updates here about how more and more government money thrown at so-called “anti-poverty” programs never seems to reduce measured poverty even by a little.  I call this phenomenon the “poverty scam.”  The persistent high rate of supposed “poverty” — in the face of well over a trillion dollars of annual spending supposedly intended to cure it — is then repeatedly used to sucker the voters and the Congress into another round of increases in the spending, none of which will ever reduce poverty as measured.  My latest post on this subject was on September 16, occasioned by the issuance from the Census Bureau of its “poverty” statistics for 2022.  (That latest issuance of poverty statistics showed a large uptick in measured poverty despite an approximately 8% increase in the spending supposed to cure it.). For dozens of more posts on this subject, go to the Poverty tag in the Archive section.

And yet, among the categories of federal statistics that are cynically crafted to deceive and manipulate the public to support advocacy for growth of programs, there is a category that is even worse than “poverty,” and that is the category of “food insecurity.”  The “food insecurity” statistics do not come from the Census Bureau, but rather from another agency, the Department of Agriculture.  Those are the people who administer the various federal food programs, like the Supplemental Nutritional Assistance Program (“SNAP”, aka food stamps), the Women, Infants and Children Program (“WIC”), and others.  At the DOA, they have taken the art of creating fake statistics that can never improve no matter how much is spent to a whole new level.

Just the News has the scoop in a story dated October 26:  “Bidenomics Boomerang: Hunger explodes on Joe’s watch as 10 million more fall into food insecurity.”  Excerpt:

The number of Americans suffering from hunger and food insecurity exploded by more than 10 million under President Joe Biden, according to a U.S. Agriculture Department report this week that provided fresh evidence of inflation‘s impact of a basic staple of life.  The report found 44.2 million Americans were living in food-insecure households in 2022, compared to 33.8 million the year before.  “From 2021 to 2022, there were statistically significant increases in food insecurity and very low food security for nearly all subgroups of households described in this report,” USDA [sic] reported Wednesday.

More than 10 million households, and a more than 30% increase in the number of households, represents quite a huge one-year jump in this measure of “food insecurity.”  JTN mentions inflation as a contributing factor, and likely that has something to do with the increase.  But what is this statistic actually measuring?  JTN takes the opportunity to bash Biden about hunger supposedly exploding on his watch.  But does “food insecurity” really have anything to do with hunger?  

Probably your first instinct will be to infer that for “food insecurity” to increase so much there must at least have been some big decrease in the government benefits intended to address the issue.  Boy would that be wrong.  In fact, the first two years of Biden saw an incredible explosion of spending on the programs intended to cure this affliction.  Here are the data from the Department of Agriculture for the SNAP program number of beneficiaries and spending from 2016 (last year of the Obama administration) through 2022 (most recent year of data):


As you can see, during the Trump years (2017-2020) both the number of participants and spending went down substantially up to 2019, before rebounding in the pandemic year of 2020.  Then, during the two Biden years of 2021 and 2022, the number of beneficiaries further increased (by about 5%) despite the fading of the pandemic and the low unemployment rate; and meanwhile the spending skyrocketed, from about $79 billion in 2020 to almost $120 billion in 2022 — an increase of over 50%.

And here we have the true scandal of the federal food programs and the supposed “food insecurity” measurement.  How is it even possible for programs supposedly designed to address a problem to fail so completely?  During years when spending designed to reduce food insecurity increased by more than 50%, the number of people deemed to be in food insecurity not only did not decrease, but increased by over 30%.

I think that the answer to the question is that the “food insecurity” statistic was cynically created from the beginning to be impervious to decrease no matter how much gets spent on food assistance.  Despite ubiquitous references and claims that the “food insecurity” statistic has something to do with hunger (and even JTN falls for this in the quote above), in fact “food insecurity” has nothing explicit to do with hunger, and the questions in the questionnaire mention nothing about hunger.  Instead, the measure of food insecurity, devised during the Clinton Administration in the 1990s, basically comes from the answer on a survey to this question: “We worried whether our food would run out before we got money to buy more.” Was that often, sometimes, or never true for you in the last 12 months?  Some of the people who respond affirmatively to that may well have been hungry at some time during the period in question, but you have no way to determine how many, if any.

Somehow the number of people who give an affirmative answer to that question (44.2 million in 2022 according to the latest report) bears a remarkable resemblance to the number of beneficiaries of the food stamp program (41.2 million in 2022 according to the DOA data in the chart).  While there is no way to know that they are the exact same people, one might very reasonably look at the two numbers and infer that the large majority of the recipients of food stamps answer yes to the food insecurity survey question.  After all, the design of the food stamp program is that the beneficiaries get a monthly allocation that they must make last to the end of the month.  Of course many of them spend the allocation early and run low at the end of the month.  The incredible thing is that even with a near 50% increase in the monthly benefit level during the Biden years, the percentage of people who spend the money early does not go down, but rather up.

You would think that the disaster of seeing “food insecurity” go up by 30% despite a $40 billion jump in spending would bring loud demands from the public, or at least the Congress, for firing of the responsible bureaucrats and restructuring of the program to something that is effective.  But that’s not how this works.  In the great bureaucratic tradition, the failure of the big spending increase to ameliorate the problem will be used by the agency to demand another round of increases in spending and staff.  This time, they will argue, the increase in spending will work.  The way to succeed in your main goal — which is growing your budget and staff — is to fail, and the more spectacularly the better.
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Reply #31 - 10/29/23 at 05:00:11
 
thumperclone wrote on 10/29/23 at 04:02:07:
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"madness in the name of freedom"..567 mass shooting in 2023


There have not been 567 mass shootings. That’s a lie.


"GUN VIOLENCE ARCHIVES"


Sorry but gang bangers shooting each other is not the same as Maine, Nashville, Las Vegas for example. Organizations lump those together for scare tactics as if one “solution” would solve the other. Radom mass shootings are very rare thank goodness.
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Reply #32 - 10/29/23 at 07:01:35
 
WebsterMark wrote on 10/29/23 at 03:44:24:
Serowbot wrote on 10/28/23 at 15:29:52:
WebsterMark wrote on 10/28/23 at 14:07:22:
I’m not willing to pi$$ money away on most of the useless $hit proposed by leftist. I’d support spending money for honest to God programs that produced.

How does one measure success?
A patient that doesn't kill will be wasted money on the wrong person.
A person that does kill will be failed treatment.
Any shooter not being treated is one that the program missed.
Any shooter that is being treated is obviously a failure.
100% failure rate


Do you have any idea the billions of dollars wasted on Covid economic recovery funds? It was an absolute joke. You could’ve sent every person in the country a check and it would’ve been cheaper and more effective. And it’s often cited and 100% true, if you look at the money, we spent on the war on poverty, my god, what a ridiculous joke. So no, I don’t want you, people, and yes, I said you people, to come up with some program that employs 100 people to “help” 1 person. No, I’m done with that.

Obfuscation
How do you measure success?
You're  the one that said the solution is is identification and treatment.
You're in charge.
What's the plan Stan?
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Reply #33 - 10/29/23 at 07:27:45
 
GVA stats are based on a minimum of four victims
how many is in a mass?

gang shootings are still gun violence
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Reply #34 - 10/29/23 at 08:39:27
 
thumperclone wrote on 10/29/23 at 07:27:45:
GVA stats are based on a minimum of four victims
how many is in a mass?

gang shootings are still gun violence


That’s different in the context of random mass shootings. You want to make it seem worse than it is.
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Reply #35 - 10/29/23 at 09:24:01
 
not much value in human life eh?
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Reply #36 - 10/29/23 at 10:37:07
 
That's just childish arguing, no one here would just shoot someone.

The precedent thinks it is very normal that Amrrika supply,s weapons to Israel. And if in the current conflict they spend their missiles  very quickly, your president says he will replenish supplies very quickly and there is a carrier ship on its way to assist them.
Amerika thereby violates international treaties and acts against the
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Israel is currently committing genocide.
But I haven't seen you speak out against that here.

In fact, I have the impression that you are in favor of it.
Democrat are you not? Biden the peace ful precident is he not?

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Reply #37 - 10/29/23 at 11:13:11
 
thumperclone wrote on 10/29/23 at 09:24:01:
not much value in human life eh?


Why would you say that?
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Reply #38 - 10/29/23 at 11:16:25
 
zevenenergie wrote on 10/29/23 at 10:37:07:
That's just childish arguing, no one here would just shoot someone.

The precedent thinks it is very normal that Amrrika supply,s weapons to Israel. And if in the current conflict they spend their missiles  very quickly, your president says he will replenish supplies very quickly and there is a carrier ship on its way to assist them.
Amerika thereby violates international treaties and acts against the
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Israel is currently committing genocide.
But I haven't seen you speak out against that here.

In fact, I have the impression that you are in favor of it.
Democrat are you not? Biden the peace ful precident is he not?



I am in favor so Israel eliminating Hamas completely by virtually any means necessary. Every innocent death is on Hamas and no one else.
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Reply #39 - 10/29/23 at 12:06:47
 
Why are you in favor of that?


I find it quite strange that the Democrats watch CNN and see that Fox News spreads lies and that the Republicans watch Fox News and see that CNN spreads lies.

And that everyone realizes that they are both spreading lies.

But very few people realize that they are propaganda distributors for a small group of people who keep waging war under false pretenses.

Look at the war in Iraq, look at Ukraine, look at Israel.
Don't you see the illogic of it?

Did you know that the day before 911 the government announced that 2.6 trillion dollars was missing from the accounts and that after 911 someone asked about it; and that the answer was that all data was lost due to the attack in the pentagon?

Can't you see that Biden is just a puppet.
Can't you see that Trump threw a spanner in the works by not wanting to go to war anymore?


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Reply #40 - 10/29/23 at 13:58:49
 
Did you know that the day before 911 the government announced that 2.6 trillion dollars was missing from the accounts and that after 911 someone asked about it; and that the answer was that all data was lost due to the attack in the pentagon?

Just stop.
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Reply #41 - 10/29/23 at 14:25:55
 
It came from Rumsfeld's mouth in 2001, clearly seen and heard here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3XAvSiVQDE
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Reply #42 - 10/29/23 at 20:15:32
 
thumperclone wrote on 10/29/23 at 09:24:01:
not much value in human life eh?

     Cheese and Rice !

Of course, Gang Banger, Turf Wars, Drive By,  Wrong Color hat,  etc,etc,etc. Shootings/Killings are gun violence.

BUT THEY ARE NOT THE SAME,
As the DFI, Deranged, School/Nightclub/Theater, etc shooting.

So your, (and ALL the GUN BANNING SOCIALISTS), solution is to punish the HONEST Citizen, with more laws that are not enforced, (unless someone wants to), Banning a type of Firearm. Banning amount of Ammunition. Requiring delays, requiring more, ‘qualifications’, and a PENALTY as to a OUTRAGEOUS COST to buy a Gun.

Do you Really think that the, ‘Gang Bangers, Drive By, Dished Me, Wrong Colors in the Wrong Area,  etc, etc, etc,
Which are the, VAST MAJORITY,for Killing with a Firearm.
Actually have gone through Any, that is A N Y, type of , ‘Requirement’,  or Are even ABLE TO !!!!!!!!!

Ya wanna to stop Gun Violence.
PUNISH !!!!!!
 (2+2,= 4  -  2+2 does NOT equal 3 or 5)

Only the true, Fairy Dust Sprinkling, Socialist, believe disarming the HONEST CITIZEN, will Stop Gun Violence from someone who does NOT follow, ANY LAW !

And don’t even think about assigning/adding the people committing Suicide. When they want to Kill Themselves, a gun, is only one of a  100+ ways it can be done.  A Gun has nothing to do with Suicide, that persons mind is made up and they will do it any way possible.

Ya wanna stop violence with a Gun ?
PUNISH, a person that had committed violence with a Gun.
   (Which is NOT HAPPENING)

AND !,  PUNISH, a person who has LIED and Violates the LAW, on possession of a Firearm.

  (Golly Gee Wally,
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11 more mass shootings over the weekend...580 for the year
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Reply #44 - 10/30/23 at 10:09:47
 
thumperclone wrote on 10/30/23 at 08:39:36:
11 more mass shootings over the weekend...580 for the year


So you have a magic wand and remove everything that you think is an assault rifle. (however it is you defined that)

Now recount. How many mass shootings do you have now?

575? Yay, good for you! You got rid of assault rifles yay!

That’s why you have to clearly define events or you’ll focus on solutions that do not address the actual issue.

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