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If RFK asks the question, is it stupid?
08/29/23 at 18:24:10
 
I've never understood why the homeless weren't stacked like cordwood.
Washing their hands, distancing, not living in close proximity to the piles of poo and the stench of that and piss, but they didn't die like I was expecting. Now Bobby croaks out another good question...

https://twitter.com/TheChiefNerd/status/1696275415701106918


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Reply #1 - 08/29/23 at 19:36:43
 
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/05/04/992544022/one-of-the-wor...



npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/05/04/992544022/one-of-the-worlds-poorest-cou
ntries-has-one-of-the-worlds-lowest-covid-death-rat
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Reply #2 - 08/29/23 at 20:43:04
 
"...If RFK asks (A) question, is it stupid?..."

According to the UL, DFI, FDS, Socialists

           it is !

Cause the Truth can NOT be told !
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Reply #3 - 08/29/23 at 20:50:20
 
 It's a very good question.


 Part of this depends on what information you choose to Observe.  For every article saying Haiti wasn't impacted by the vaccine and refuses vaccines there is one that says "Haiti fights large COVID-19 spike as it awaits vaccines"

https://apnews.com/article/caribbean-haiti-coronavirus-pandemic-health-ca565e...

 This is how the internet works.

 I've personally taken many medical teams to Haiti over the years, helped build a clinic in Gonaives and staffed it with Haitians.  I can assure you the record keeping is minimal.  I imagine very few humans that died with or from Covid would ever be documented.  So a percentage is pretty much impossible to get.  I personally looked at 9,740 patient records from the HAH laboratory from December 2020 to July 2021.  Covid antibody seroprevalence appeared to be greater than the publicly reported statistics by orders of magnitude.

  Of course we have learned here people that read things on the internet will know more about how things really work than people doing the actual jobs themselves, so none of my experience matters.  Just like how people who read about motorcycles on the internet know more about riding bikes than people that actually ride bikes.


 Now I would say the real way to asses this is to compare demographics and not money.  Being poor doesn't absolutely mean being more likely to die from Covid, either does living in filth.  I would instead compare the ages and comorbidities to humans dying elsewhere.  The median age in Haiti is younger, they don't have a lot of heart disease, obesity, COPD and some others that offered the highest value of Covid death comorbidities.  

 So that in itself should lead one to think there would be fewer candidates for deaths since they do not meet the demographics, typically, of the majority dead from or with Covid.  Personally I think there is immunological resistance and sh!tty to nonexistent record keeping.  

 

 
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Reply #4 - 08/30/23 at 01:30:04
 
In the beginning of covid when it was not yet an innocent virus, the treatment method in itself was deadly for many people with weakened health. The treatment consists of being placed in a coma for 2 weeks lying on your stomach with a ventilator and a feeding tube.

I don't know if you've ever been in a car for 17 straight hours, but the average person comes out pretty broke.

let alone if you spend 336 hours in a car in 1 position with heavy medication and a harmful virus in your body. And you're over 50 and you're already in poor health.

I don't know who came up with those treatment methods, but I would go home with a bottle of oxygen, a box of vitamins and nutritional supplements and meditate until I recovered, if If they offered me that option.

A hospital is a very rigid place with a fixed treatment method and a minimum of highly educated experienced people who really independently have a unique diagnosis and treatment method. and then there is also the question of whether a hospital is equipped enough to give large numbers of people the treatment that thay really need.

I think the 2 weeks on your stomach in a coma was just a method of keeping a body alive with no regard for the outcome. after all, there is an oath they must keep.


Covid has clearly shown how the medical system is failing and how much It is geared towards making money, with a very dubious role of big pharma in it all.
The staff in the hospitals have experienced the horrors of a falling system first hand.
While the people at the top have made billions.

In my eyes, the covid period is the greatest crappity smack up in the history of mankind, both medically, economically and politically.

If you don,t see that, you probably haven't had time to look into it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWdd6_ZxX8c
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I don't know who came up with those treatment methods, but I would go home with a bottle of oxygen, a box of vitamins and nutritional supplements and meditate until I recovered, if If they offered me that option.


 In this case you would have never qualified for ventilator treatment to begin with.  Humans placed on vents were people who would otherwise die even with external oxygen.  Of course misdiagnosis exists, but if a human can stay conscious on 02 facilitated room-air, they shouldn't qualify for a vent.
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I think I need to be explaned  how a ventilator saves someone's life and external oxygen does not.
What is the difference between someone breathing themselves and a machine doing it. is it that they panic and therefore cannot breathe on their own and must be put into a coma? Or is it that they can then be given a higher dose of morphine to make it easier to breathe?

I regularly do meditation groups of one week or two weeks. And what happens when you really come into meditation, then the breathing comes to almost zero or to a standstill.

In the beginning it's a bit of a strange situation, but you soon notice that the body can actually do without breath at rest.

It,s a very deep conditioning that the body cannot do without air.
It Can.

A friend of mine had a lung condition where he couldn't breathe and I witnessed how before he died he panicked again and again because he was afraid of dying by suffocation.

When he finally got an injection, he remained in a coma for a week, but his body breathed very calmly as if nothing was wrong.
Until he passed.

I still don,t know whit what thay injected him whit.
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Reply #7 - 08/30/23 at 07:46:14
 
Covid has clearly shown how the medical system is failing and how much It is geared towards making money, with a very dubious role of big pharma in it all.
The staff in the hospitals have experienced the horrors of a falling system first hand.
While the people at the top have made billions.

In my eyes, the covid period is the greatest crappity smack up in the history of mankind, both medically, economically and politically.



Of course healthcare and pharmaceutical is geared towards profit. All of us benefit from that and to pretend otherwise is naïve. Government run and “free“ healthcare is only possible because of for-profit healthcare. Take away the profit motive, and will have essentially VA hospitals everywhere. No thanks.

That doesn’t mean the current healthcare system and pharmaceutical manufacturers are perfect, far from it. But don’t throw out the baby with the bathwater or pretend that there’s a better way. By completely overhauling the system because that would be a disaster for all but the rich.

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I think I need to be explaned  how a ventilator saves someone's life and external oxygen does not.
What is the difference between someone breathing themselves and a machine doing it. is it that they panic and therefore cannot breathe on their own and must be put into a coma? Or is it that they can then be given a higher dose of morphine to make it easier to breathe?




 Some humans, as they lose oxygen, will die.  This happens because they can not under their own power expand their lungs, typically due to fatigue from oxygen loss.  Concentrated oxygen in a tube at their nose will just be better 02 that they can not physically get into their body.  A ventilator breathes for them, since they can not expand their lungs under their own power.

 A human does not need to be put into a coma to be on a ventilator but the experience will be painful and emotionally taxing to have air forced into the body.  Some humans would panic, so sedation offers the highest probability that the ventilator will work as intended.

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Of course healthcare and pharmaceutical is geared towards profit. All of us benefit from that and to pretend otherwise is naïve. Government run and “free“ healthcare is only possible because of for-profit healthcare. Take away the profit motive, and will have essentially VA hospitals everywhere. No thanks.


 Agreed.  I don't see many major pharmaceutical breakthroughs happening in the non-profit channels.



That doesn’t mean the current healthcare system and pharmaceutical manufacturers are perfect, far from it. But don’t throw out the baby with the bathwater or pretend that there’s a better way. By completely overhauling the system because that would be a disaster for all but the rich.

 But we want all the benefits with zero cost.  It doesnt work that way?
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Reply #10 - 08/30/23 at 10:21:27
 
course we have learned here people that read things on the internet will know more about how things really work than people doing the
I was reading it, operative word
Was.

Offer the facts and wait. The preachy snark isn't going to change me. I
Fukking

OBSERVE and Decide
I don't control the world, Nor is it possible for me to Observe EVERYTHING.
It's not uncommon that I choose to just not even read what you say, because you, well,, you are you..
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Offer the facts and wait. The preachy snark isn't going to change me

 Why would it?  Obviously you wont Observe I have said many many times I have zero interest in changing anything - "anything"  in this case meaning specific to human minds and their assessments of all topics.  My Observation is that humans here have a lot to say about things they never did, to the point of saying opinions contrary to their own are "wrong".  

 For a guy that has told me multiple times to "fukk off", historically and repeatedly insults forum members for having their own opinions, or not replying to your post, I would think preachy snark is something you would be able to get through pretty easy.


I don't control the world, Nor is it possible for me to Observe EVERYTHING.

 Exactly.  One can simply refuse to Observe things, like what the CDC actually "SAID" or that Peru was never on a LOCKDOWN.  Or get offended and refuse to read/Observe simple forum posts.



It's not uncommon that I choose to just not even read what you say, because you, well,, you are you..

 I understand that.  I on the other hand can handle reading everything you post no matter how many times you toss direct insults at me or say something I don't agree with.  
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Reply #12 - 08/30/23 at 14:19:23
 
Eegore wrote on 08/30/23 at 10:55:27:
"...  I have said many many times
I have zero interest in changing anything.  ..."
 


So now,
you don't want to change
the 2nd Amndment ?
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So now,
you don't want to change
the 2nd Amndment ?




 To clarify:

 I have no interest in changing what any human thinks specific to this forum.  I have no interest in changing anything about JoG for instance.  I edited my post to reflect the specificity of human minds and not all known things on the planet.

 Any reason you think the 2nd Amendment can "only" be amended for gun control?  Why is it that the NRA could not propose a pro-gun change?
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Reply #14 - 08/30/23 at 15:44:22
 
Eegore wrote on 08/30/23 at 14:29:12:
  I have no interest in changing what any human thinks specific to this forum.  I have no interest in changing anything about JoG for instance.  I edited my post to reflect the specificity of human minds and not all known things on the planet.  Any reason you think the 2nd Amendment can "only" be amended for gun control?  Why is it that the NRA could not propose a pro-gun change?


Sure does sound like you want to, change, something !

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