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Reply #1 - 02/28/23 at 08:30:28
 
Yeah,, not so easy, izzit?
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Reply #2 - 02/28/23 at 11:08:50
 
 What's the acceptable timeframe for people to respond to your posts?  Are we now down to about 6hrs?

 The difference here is that the US didn't have a pipeline.  
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Reply #3 - 02/28/23 at 12:50:09
 
Yes, cancelling the Keystone Pipeline had an adverse effect on the economy and likely would have had a material effect on the supply of oil in the US.

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Reply #4 - 02/28/23 at 12:52:23
 
Eegore wrote on 02/28/23 at 11:08:50:
 "...   The difference here is that the US didn't have a pipeline.  



United States
   ATEX Pipeline
   Big Inch
   Buckeye Partners
   Calnev Pipeline
   Chaparral NGL Pipeline
   Colonial Pipeline
   Dakota Access Pipeline
   Dixie Pipeline
   Double H Pipeline
   Dow Pipeline Company
   Enbridge Pipeline System
   Enterprise Products
   Jayhawk and Kaw Pipelines
   Keystone Pipeline (XL phase halted in January 2021, XL phase terminated in June 2021)
   Lakehead Pipeline
   Line 3 pipeline
   Longhorn Pipeline
   Magellan Midstream Partners
   Mahadeva Pipeline
   Mariner East Pipelines
   Mid-America Pipeline System
   Minnesota Pipeline
   North Dakota Pipeline
   Olympic Pipeline
   Plantation Pipeline
   Pilgrim Pipeline (proposed)
   Pony Express Pipeline
   Seaway Pipeline
   Seminole Pipeline
   Trans-Alaska Pipeline System
   Trans Mountain Pipeline
   Unev Pipeline
   Yellowstone Pipeline

From:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oil_pipelines#United_States


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Reply #5 - 02/28/23 at 13:05:37
 
Eegore wrote on 02/28/23 at 11:08:50:
 What's the acceptable timeframe for people to respond to your posts?  Are we now down to about 6hrs?

 The difference here is that the US didn't have a pipeline.  



You,, YOU interpreted what I said how You wanted. Four had looked,, and said nothing.. Kiss it,dude,,I don't care what you say any more.
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Reply #6 - 02/28/23 at 19:11:49
 
You,, YOU interpreted what I said how You wanted. Four had looked,, and said nothing.. Kiss it,dude,,I don't care what you say any more.

 Incorrect, 3 views were mine.  I keep trying to show you that the "views" are NOT unique.  I'm trying to inform you that the views you keep thinking are humans looking are not humans - you are upset over an event that never happened.

 Again I will show you, and again you might claim incorrectly every view is a different person.  Do you think over 100 different people viewed this thread in the time it took me to type this?  Over 100 views are on this thread in less than a minute.
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Yes, cancelling the Keystone Pipeline had an adverse effect on the economy and likely would have had a material effect on the supply of oil in the US.


 I agree with this, however comparing an actual pipeline moving actual oil is not the same as comparing it to what might have been.  The comparison is poor.  It's like asking if bombing Russian military bases damages their military why doesn't bombing future locations where there are no military bases in the US damage our military?

 It does, but nowhere near the same way.
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Reply #8 - 02/28/23 at 22:27:55
 
You needed to see it three times? Howboutthat! Aaand I Still don't care what you said
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Reply #9 - 02/28/23 at 22:30:31
 
So the construction on a pipeline that that demented pervert shut down that would have benefited the economy just doesn't work in your mind?
You don't need to answer, I don't care
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Reply #10 - 03/01/23 at 05:23:38
 
"You needed to see it three times? Howboutthat! Aaand I Still don't care what you said"

 Your caring doesn't change math.  If you want to be upset over an event on this forum that never happened go ahead.  I am just pointing out that views here are NOT unique to anyone that thinks every view comes from a different member.



So the construction on a pipeline that that demented pervert shut down that would have benefited the economy just doesn't work in your mind?
You don't need to answer, I don't care



 Incorrect.  If you use the words I actually said you would gain a more accurate interpretation.

 The economy is inhibited by shutting down the "planning" and "building" of the Keystone pipeline.  The comparison of a planned pipeline to an existing operational one is poor.

 The comparison is poor.  The economical impacts are not the same, they absolutely do exist, but are significantly different.  

 If the comparison were towards an existing pipeline of similar volume and economic value, then it would be more accurate.  Again only the comparison example is poor, it's a weak attempt to point out a valid issue.
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Reply #11 - 03/01/23 at 07:10:15
 
Not gonna' look it up again, but I think tRump got 8% of the pipeline completed in his 4 years.... another 10 or 12 might show results.
...and it's not fuel grade oil.

Eegore,... am I close?

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"Not gonna' look it up again, but I think tRump got 8% of the pipeline completed in his 4 years.... another 10 or 12 might show results.
...and it's not fuel grade oil.
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 Yeah well the details tend to not be important.  I was having this discussion the other day with a guy that didn't even know the expansion wasn't built yet.  He was sure they shut down oil passing through actial pipes.  

 The fuel grade oil is debatable as it can be refined at-destination.  To me the issue is that the 830,000 a day at peak transfer would be under 1% of total.  It would mean jobs, but not lower gas prices, there just isn't enough refined going through.

 None of that matters though if comparing things that haven't happened to things that have happened is how we are supposed to assess this.  This is why pictures like this work so well, they over-simplify a subject.
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Reply #13 - 03/02/23 at 05:19:31
 
The harm with the Keystone cancellation was the signal it sent that this administration will be anti-business. Now you leftists can argue that all you want but the leaders of my company (and we are the top in our industry) correctly interpreted that action was a sign of things to come and made adjustments knowing how this administration would act. And we’re not the only ones smart enough to understand that.

Get this through your head. Net zero will never happen. We cannot rely on renewables to supply our energy needs today or in the future. It’s impossible. It’s not that it’s technologically challenging, it’s impossible. Stop pretending otherwise. We will transition to all electric vehicles for most transportation needs, but we’re not going to do it with windmills and solar panels. We’re going to do it with nuclear power. The longer we wait, the more inevitable Brownouts and service disruptions across the country will occur. They’re already occurring in certain areas. And ridiculous people like Biden and other Democrats who are just stupid and unintelligent when it comes to energy,  are going to make us all suffer. They won’t suffer, but we will.
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Reply #14 - 03/02/23 at 05:25:16
 

The harm with the Keystone cancellation was the signal it sent that this administration will be anti-business.

I agree that this is the primary impact of that decision.
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