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Re: Simplified Wiring Help 2000 Savage
Reply #15 - 11/08/22 at 06:48:57
 
Permissives is just a generic term in logic circuits for parts of the cercuit that need to be made in order for it to run or continue to the next step.

Such as the side stand.  If it doesnt see that circuit made it wont allow it to progress to the next step of sending power to the starter circuit.

I gutted my wiring and redid it, and a few others here did too.  Stupidly I put my drawings in a very safe place when I was done.  So safe I cant seem to find it again.  Ill keep looking.

I just remember that what should have been a fairly simple start/stop (run) switch turned out to be a bit more complicated.

I had messed with a few different remote key ideas.  One was just an rfid, another was an active rfid and if you were within  feet of the bike you could start it.  I ended up getting them to work, but the system ended up draining the tiny battery I use quicker than my infrequent driving would charge the battery.

Anyways, what seems like it should work, sometimes under closer examination and testing doesnt.  Keep digging youll find the problem, then let us know.
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Reply #16 - 11/08/22 at 07:02:08
 
Hey Justin,hope it wasnt me that woke you...I dont sleep real good at night so i dont really think about when i reply...if so i apologize...technically it was not running but i believed at the time it was only the starter solenoid...so i went ahead and ordered one and while i was waiting for it i went ahead and started the rewire...it was running and driving before the oil incident...when the oil shorted the starter relay is when i decided to go ahead and fix the cylinder head leak and do the rewire...my belief at the time was that the only bad part i had was the starter relay...in hindsight i should have checked to see if i had spark before the rewire just to make sure...or maybe should have traced each wire back to its source and drawn a diagram from it instead of just using a wiring diagram...maybe...idk...like i said im doubting everything i did now...while i am very new to motorcycle mechanics i was a parts installer/mechanic for about 10 years several years ago...that inly to say im not completely ignorant of mechanics(not saying you said or implied anything to the contrary,just info) but alot of the workings of this bike are most definitely a mystery to me...i did find a thread on here where a guy took his working cdi and used an ohms meter and measured all the resistance and made a chart showing what each was...ill attach the picture and show you...idk if this will actually test the functionality of it but in one way of thinking about it its capacitors and diodes inside the cdi so resistance would be important...i am completely open to any ideas help or anything,lol...my backup plan at this point is 50 cents worth of gas and a match lol....im posting the chart the guy had made on this forum,if i remembered his name i would give him all credit but i do not..im not taking credit for it or claiming ownership(hopefully that covers anyone getting mad at me for posting it...again i soooo appreciate any help and your time sooo much...i dont wish the need for it on you but if i can ever help you out please let me know!!
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Reply #17 - 11/08/22 at 07:10:24
 
Thank you SpammyToo,my appreciation for the knowledge is completely sincere...I would love to see ur diagrams if you come across them and i will definitely post what i find is the problem and also what i end up with as a working diagram...I am definitely going to keep trying to figure it out...i have a nagging feeling its something so simple that i am looking over...you know the kind of thing when u find it youre so relieved but also want to kick yourself in the a** for not catching the first time...thank you so mich for your time and knowledge and advice... and please continue to follow my post and if you see anything that makes you say "hey wait" please let me know...i think i am going to dram a complete diagram and post so all the wires and switches and locations can be shown...maybe it will spark and idea in someones head as mine seems to be drawing blanks...
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Reply #18 - 11/08/22 at 08:03:42
 
Hey Justin,hope it wasnt me that woke you...I dont sleep real good at night so i dont really think about when i reply...if so i apologize.

Of Course it's Your fault that I woke up. You don't have to type that hard, man. I mean, C'mon man.
Well, you're a braver man than I. I have a few strict rules when I'm working on stuff.
In no particular order ,absolutely nothing goes in the trash until it's done and running.
If something isn't running I don't do anything other than work to solve that problem. It's too easy to accidentally do something that will also make it not run.
And when they tell you to shut the motor off and rinse it off, No, if I get water in something that kills it I want to know where the water was going when it died.

When I was fixing copiers and talking to other techs I noticed how often they would be trying to figure it out and concoct some possible series of failures that would do that.
It's nearly always one problem.
I'm sure you know now how much ahead you would have been to get the solenoid and get it running before changing stuff.
What you do have is a motor that spins over and no spark, right?
If that is true, then I would pull the plug and secure it so it is grounded and should spark.
That way you can spin it over without wearing on your battery and starter so hard
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If you do something that gets your spark back, but it just doesn't Hit,you won't know it has spark,
If the battery is needing charged it can spin over and not fire the plug.

Where can I go to see the wiring diagram?
I let my Suzuki service manual go when I sold my first one.
I'll never do That again.


Make it dependable, when you strap a plug to the motor, make it solid. If you have to wrap baling wire around the threads and run it under a bolt if you have to, but it's Not cool to be wondering. If you have a known good plug and solder to the threads, and there is no rule against taking the plug and plugging it into a mower and proving the plug is good.
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Reply #19 - 11/03/22 at 20:10:44
 
Just thought id share what the bike looks like as of now...
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Reply #20 - 11/04/22 at 18:40:46
 
Nice man!  Cool
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Reply #21 - 11/04/22 at 23:49:42
 
Send me your email if you wants diagram(s)
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Reply #22 - 11/06/22 at 16:24:52
 
Thanks Yazman...i have a lot of hours into getting the bike this far and have hit a wall with the wiring...
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Reply #23 - 11/06/22 at 16:31:26
 
Thanks for your time Ruttly and your offer for help...I would very much appreciate any diagrams you have to send...I am really looking for a diagram to show a working fuse box conversion...thats what i am trying to wire up...i have the lights,horn and brake lights figured that was easy...i have the charging system wired and complete as well...ive done away with all the safety switches and have tried to wire the ignition to the beat of my knowledge but i am getting no spark...i bench tested the pickup coil and ignition coil from all i can find there is no bench test for the CDI but i did try a spare i had and it made no difference...i tried to pm and email you but it says i havent posted enough on here to do that yet...any help u could give would be appreciated...maybe take a look at my ignition system wiring and see if you see my problem or problems...thank you again!
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Reply #24 - 11/06/22 at 16:59:29
 
Have you used an ohm meter to check the resistance on the primary and secondary windings of the coils? I can send you a spare if you need one. 12v at the coil? Have you used an ohm meter on the orange and green wires that run to the flywheel so see if there is a short? I hate those stupid magic voodoo CDI boxes. Mine went bad, but 2 bad ones seems unlikely. Good ground to bare metal? What about your key switch? I don't see that in your diagram. Hope you get it straightened out man!
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Reply #25 - 11/07/22 at 21:55:37
 
Hey Yazman,thank you so much for your help... I had looked up previously how to check the ignition coil and pickup coil...i tested with an ohms from positive to negative on the ignition coil and from positive to where the plug goes and negative to where the plug goes...i dont have a clymers manual but according to what i found on the internet it was all well within tolerance...i did later on check the pickup coil to make sure the resistance was correct and that it was pulsing when spinning the motor over i domt remember what the reading was but it was also within tolerance...i also thought of the ground and checked it as well and seem to be good everywhere...its a brand new main cable and i checked with my volt meter at all ground points and it seems to be all good...I am in agreement about the cdi box...i dont care for it very much...its hard to find a wiring schematic for it as well...and from what i can find so far there is no real way to bench test it...on my other post on here it tells the whole story of how and why i decided to go to the fuse box setup...i am now wondering if i have 2 bad cdi boxes(one was bought off of ebay)...the one in the bike got soaked in oil...its the craziest thing...i am doubting everything i did now lol...
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Reply #26 - 11/08/22 at 10:54:19
 
Send me an email so I can send them.
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Reply #27 - 11/08/22 at 11:35:12
 
A cdi should survive a soaking.
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Reply #28 - 11/08/22 at 11:57:42
 
Hey Justin,thats what i was thinking too that the cdi is pretty well sealed up but idk...i think ill make a post and ask anyone that has a 96- 2000 savage if they could do me a huge favor and let me know what readings they get at the plug for the cdi not the cdi itself to make sure i am getting the same thing...what do you think?
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Wiring help 2000 Savage
Reply #29 - 11/08/22 at 12:05:04
 
Hello all,I could still use some help with wiring on my 2000 Suzuki Savage fire/wiring issue...I was wondering if anyone out there that has like  96-2000 Savage LS650 could please tale the time and give me the reading they get at the CDI Plug not the CDI itself so i can check against a running bike to make sure i have all that i need coming to the plug...Any help would be soooo greatly appreciated!
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