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akhsha YaBB Newbies Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 22	Are there any plug and play Li batteries? 04/02/22 at 11:39:16 Searched the forum and I couldnt find anything since 2019. Have there been any improvements since then? I'd love a lithium battery that I can just install without any other modifications Thanks!
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Reply #1 - 04/02/22 at 15:00:29

akhsha wrote on 04/02/22 at 11:39:16:

Searched the forum and I couldnt find anything since 2019. Have there been any improvements since then? I'd love a lithium battery that I can just install without any other modifications

Thanks!

From what I know, Lithium batteries require a different charging cycle, which our alternator can't do. Furthermore, I'd be very wary of these batteries from little know brands, they can be a fire risk. You're better off with regular battery from a reputable brand.

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Gary_in_NJ Serious Thumper Offline LS650 Cafe Racer Posts: 2628 Amongst the Twisty Roads	Re: Are there any plug and play Li batteries? Reply #2 - 04/02/22 at 17:15:07 There are many plug and play LiFePO4 batteries. Simply get a battery with a BMS and you will not need to worry about over charging. I have LiFePO4 batteries in all my bikes and have not modified the electrical system in any of them.
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ohiomoto Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 2693 WTF is JOG?	Re: Are there any plug and play Li batteries? Reply #3 - 04/02/22 at 19:18:48 What Gary siad. I have been using an AnitGravity battery in my bike with no electrical mods.
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Reply #4 - 04/03/22 at 08:02:53

I put an EarthX in my bike in 2013 or thereabouts.....it is still working fine.

I have never needed to charge it or put it on a tender. After 5 months of downtime each winter it fire the bike right up and we begin our ride.

The charging system on the Savage seems to work just fine withe the LiIon battery.

If you buy one it will likely be smaller - just get some dense foam and pad around the battery to keep it from moving around in the battery box.

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Reply #6 - 04/03/22 at 10:30:03

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 04/03/22 at 09:12:11:

Nine years out of a battery that is neglected for five months a year? Shazzam!

The hassle of a dead battery can be pretty serious. I'm Not the guy who can run and hop on and start a bike. Dave,, if it was mine, I'd be getting jumpy.

LiIon batteries hold their charge for a very long time (provided there are no clocks or other things draining the battery while it is parked.

I am also not beefy enough to push start a 650 single....especially one withe a Wiseco piston. My one and only attempt was before the Wiseco and all I could accomplish was to slide the back tire repeatedly.

The bike always starts instantly and I have never had any indication the battery is showing it's age. I have no idea how long it should last?

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Reply #7 - 04/03/22 at 10:44:46

Lithium batteries are fantastic, get the right charger. Have them in three bikes. One sat for 8 months fired right up without any charging !
However one minor issue with lithium batteries , they give absolutely NO warnings before failing , working great then nothing ! So just for the sake of hating to push my bike I just replace them at five years. The wrong charger will cause premature failure , but you will get no warning. Don’t buy a cheap one , get a better rated , name brand. Mount them anywhere , upside down it don’t matter , 8 lbs lighter the stock Savage battery.

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Dave YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 17825 Camp Springs, Kentucky Gender:	Re: Are there any plug and play Li batteries? Reply #8 - 04/03/22 at 12:24:03 And....if you leave your key on and let it go dead - it is likely dead forever and will have to be replaced.
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Reply #9 - 04/03/22 at 12:58:29

Ruttly wrote on 04/03/22 at 10:44:46:

Lithium batteries are fantastic, get the right charger. Have them in three bikes. One sat for 8 months fired right up without any charging !
However one minor issue with lithium batteries , they give absolutely NO warnings before failing , working great then nothing ! So just for the sake of hating to push my bike I just replace them at five years. The wrong charger will cause premature failure , but you will get no warning. Don’t buy a cheap one , get a better rated , name brand. Mount them anywhere , upside down it don’t matter , 8 lbs lighter the stock Savage battery.

I don't believe thats true with lithium batteries at all, I believe gel batteries are the ones that die with no warning.

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Reply #10 - 04/03/22 at 13:58:18

A typical lead acid or AGM battery looses about 1% charge per day. A Lithium battery will loose 1% per month.

I wouldn't say that a Lithium battery will die without warning, but it will stop providing usable current if abused. I wouldn't crank the engine for more than 4-5 seconds at a time. Also, I would wait 15-20 seconds between start attempts. If you ask too much without rest, you'll be disappointed.

Finally, as Dave mentioned, if you are forgetful, maybe a Lithium battery isn't for you. A battery that has been depleted beyond 50% may not recover, and a battery that is depleted beyond 75% should not be charged as there is now a fire hazard. That is why you should not use a Lithium Starting Battery without a BMS (battery management system). The BMS will protect the cells from over depletion and will manage the charging of the battery to be sure it is in balance. A BMS is well worth the extra $20-$40.

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Are there any plug and play Li batteries? Reply #12 - 04/04/22 at 12:11:40 ohiomoto wrote on 04/03/22 at 17:03:05: Dave wrote on 04/03/22 at 12:24:03: And....if you leave your key on and let it go dead - it is likely dead forever and will have to be replaced. -------------- Yep. I did that, but it took three attempts. If at first you don't succeed.....
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Reply #13 - 04/05/22 at 10:43:04

Thanks all for your suggestions!

Gary_in_NJ wrote on 04/03/22 at 13:58:18:

That is why you should not use a Lithium Starting Battery without a BMS (battery management system). The BMS will protect the cells from over depletion and will manage the charging of the battery to be sure it is in balance. A BMS is well worth the extra $20-$40.

Are there particular brands that have a BMS internal to the battery? Or do I always need to buy a separate one and install it when converting? If the latter, is there anything I should know before buying them separately, or is a BMS pretty much a universal fit? (I admitedly have not googled this question yet, but I'm about to)

Also, I've push started my bike 5 times in the past week! The trick is to get it moving then jump up and drop down on the seat when you release the clutch. I'm about 180lbs, and I can do it everywhere but a gravel road (found that out the hard way).

Edit: nvm, the antigravity brand recommended by Ohio has an internal BMS. Thanks again all

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Reply #14 - 04/05/22 at 14:14:27

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I am also not beefy enough to push start a 650 single....especially one withe a Wiseco piston. My one and only attempt was before the Wiseco and all I could accomplish was to slide the back tire repeatedly.

I got one heck of a workout the only time I had to push start this bike. There was a slight hill and I had to push it back up several times before I got it to catch. Key is using a higher gear, but it's still crazy hard with the big jug on our bike. Tongue

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