When the states where the guns are coming from show the bloody results of guns THERE, I would be forced to think. If GUNS are the problem, Howcumizzit Texas isn't having that problem?

C'mon ,here it is. Perfect opportunity for a Genuine discussion. He, the nape challenged one from far away, WANTS us to have real conversations.

Don't CLAIM. Explain WHY Chicago is so deadly compared to the places where guns are not just legal to Have, but carry.
Is it not confusing that places where you can open carry, or carry concealed, have such different weekend Bullet and Blood reports?
I remember the
There will be Blooood in the Streets!
When the rules changed and concealed carry became legal in restaurants that sold alcohol.
Wrong again.

The people who say
Follow the Science
Don't believe the FBI crime stats. If they did, they would look at crime rates after gun laws change.

Crack Down
Crime up.
Read the constitution
Apply it
And the MAJORITY of the people ,who are good citizens, some of whom choose to arm themselves, are suddenly deterring crime.

How?

Mental exercise..

Word problem..

You are a violent criminal. You Know the law abiding are not armed, because it's
Illegal.
You, violent criminal, are afraid of WHOM? Only criminals are armed, Right?

Insert answers here.

Now, let's Say ten to fifteen percent are good, upstanding citizens who have chosen to carry.
You, violent criminal, now have to evaluate the people around you if you want to rob the store. If it's around ten percent of the people who are armed and there are around twenty people milling around, meehh, might be two, might be none,, maybe ten..
Who knows?

You think that does not matter?

Its GOTTA matter.
How else do you explain Why crime drops when Freedom to defend yourself is allowed?

How is it possible to not see that?
ohh,your answer is welcome anywhere.

That looks like a great introduction to a conversation that needs to happen.

I seldom post anything here - but I feel the need to comment about the rural area where I live in KY.

All of my neighbors have guns - most likely they have several.  The kids are also likely to have guns once they get to a responsible age.  I had a single shot .22 rifle when I was 6 - my parents didn't want me to have a BB gun as they worried about the BB ricocheting and hurting me.  Our school gave a "Hunters' Safety Course" when I was in JR. High School, and in Boy Scouts we shot rifles and skeet at summer camp.

Every weekend that isn't raining I hear somebody out shooting at targets.  During hunting season there are far less shots as folks are not shooting at cardboard anymore and looking for something with feathers or fur to shoot at.

We don't shoot family members or neighbors on a regular basis.

I can only think of two shootings that have happened in the last 20 years or so.  Both of them were deranged women who shot their lovers in the bedroom.  One lady was in her 50's and shot her husband - the both of them were "swingers" and had multiple affairs with other lovers.  The other shooting was an unstable college girl who shot her boyfriend.

Downtown Cincinnati is just 20 miles away and there are shootings frequently.

Perhaps the problem is not guns - evidently big cities are the problem!

I think that's not what Dave is saying, but you're reading into it.

Here is a wonderful chance to have a conversation !

Because yes, Im sure there is no way that that conversation would turn into an argument. I will say only one thing

If we see fit to require a license to drive a car why not require a license to own a gun

MnSpring wrote on 02/25/22 at 16:10:37:



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_of_Australia#:~:text=A%20person%20must%20
have%20a,be%20a%20%22prohibited%20person%22.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_law_in_New_Zealand#:~:text=New%20Firearms%20li
cences%20are%20issued,proper%20to%20possess%20a%20firearm.

Billy, how many of those 33 shootings and 7 murders were illegal?
How many of the weapons used in those events were used illegally?
How many of the weapons were obtained illegally?
How many of the weapons used were owned by people already prevented by law from owning a gun?

How many shootings and killings in Chicago did NOT occur that weekend because the perpetrator thought I do not have a permit for this gun so I won’t shoot that guy over a drug deal gone bad or because he disrespected me at the club earlier that night?

We can make pretty close educational guesses at those question but when people say we need more gun laws, the only people who follow those laws are people like me. The people who shot 33 and killed 7 have no intention of following new licensing laws.

So the road you’re really going down is gun confiscation. That’s always the end game for gun control. Always.

WebsterMark wrote on 02/26/22 at 05:27:40:



and how many school shootings have happened in NZ and Oz in the last 50 years. because Its harder to buy a gun than milk

It's not hard at all to get a gun over here, On the contrary, I know lots of people that own guns, including at least 2 people that are licensed to own military grade stuff that would make a Texan blush, the difference is you just can't go buy them at a 7-11

In my option, the NRA has done an amazing job of convincing everyone that guns and freedom are the same things so anyone challenging "gun culture" instantly gets hammered with "your anti-freedom", that sounds a lot like indoctrination to me. What is  so wrong with wanting a background check on someone before handing over a device that was built for the purpose of killing,

As a side note how did the NRA, a relatively small group get so much of a say...oh that's right, lobbying, the legal art of bribing and buying your own politician

I will admit that America very much has a situation of getting the genie back in the bottle with the number of guns in circulation  but even small steps will get them out of the wrong hands faster than doing nothing

Laws won't stop someone shooting someone else but it makes it a lot harder to access guns and stops impulse shooting

MnSpring wrote on 02/26/22 at 13:36:23:


Oh don't get me wrong Im all for punishment and consequences for actions but ive seen enough phone and bodycam footage to know thats not a thing any more. comman secce left the building years ago

what im saying is you a more likely to shoot someone if you have a gun rather than if you dont, so MAYBE make it just a little bit harder to get one