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What triggers your next cell phone purchase ???
05/25/21 at 05:00:53
 

We all buy a new cell phone periodically when the old one gets "battery weak" or starts doing wonky stuff.

The ARM V9 generation is here, so the old phones from older generations should get seriously cheaper right about now.

When your phone signals its declining years and you start thinking about it, what is it that do you look for in a new phone?


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My wife is a real phone user, she is on her phone talking to her buddies both spontaneously and at scheduled times (when they are driving to work or taking kids to school and can talk hands free as all cars seem to support that now-a-days with blue tooth or a mounting bracket).  Women do like to talk, don't they?

She uses up a phone's battery in about 2-3 years battery-wise so I started buying her 5,000 watt/hour models (Motorola calls them the G Power family) to stretch her use life out as far as it will go.

I generally use her old phone as it has life still left in it and it is better than what I am using, generally speaking.    

If you buy the phone direct from Google Fi they take responsibility for all of it, Qualcomm issues and Motorola issues and ARM issues alike.

In pursuit of better battery lifespan I now use the Motorola Moto G Power family exclusively, and I mate it up with Google Fi for the service as it can tag anybody's towers seamlessly and doesn't ever seem to drop a call while doing this.   A Google Fi tweeked Motorola phone also will hop on to any available open WiFi signal in preference to using tower minutes and if you instruct the phone properly we can go certain months using zero minutes off the fairly generous allowance Fi gives to a basic plan.  

If I ever have a plan overage, it is time to call Fi Customer service as a setting somewhere has gotten messed up by an upgrade as I should never have more than a handful of minutes charged much less an an actual overage.  Fi apologizes, tells you which thing in settings to flip off/on and then gives you your overages back on the next bill.   Being consistent about doing this means they can track your intention over the years and they don't argue about the overage charges as they can see you were set up to avoid them before they messed up the update stuff.

Google Fi has good customer service, and being Google they have no out to try to take if an update does something wonky.   I have had phones spontaneously die during updates and the rep asked me if it was on charge or doing an update when it died and then they simply said it was their fault and sent me a refurbished like brand new phone by Fed Ex Express.   I am on the cheapest plan they have and it made no difference, but they have such a tight relationship with Motorola they know all about whatever strange stuff Qualcomm or Motorola has gotten them into.  
This same phone issue was really about a Qualcomm processor going half bad and losing some of the 8 cores due to driver incompatibility in the update, really strange sort of life span stuff that does happen to you if you keep a phone going for a goodly while.  That phone had been run by the wife until she got unhappy with it's overall performance then I ran it until the processor half died (battery life was sorta shot too, but it started out with a really big battery for the time it was built in).

Phones come and go, some model years are real improvements in the phone itself and some years are meh, not really worth it.   Qualcomm is always used by Motorola, so you always get the best chipset in each generation, but you got to watch those Qualcomm family groups as different ARM levels are used each year, seems like.

Some years of Moto G Power however are outstandingly good.   The web has comparison tools to help you to pick out the good ones.  This is my existing match up in consideration.

https://versus.com/en/motorola-moto-g-3rd-gen-vs-motorola-moto-g-power      looking at my old phone

https://versus.com/en/motorola-moto-g-power-vs-motorola-moto-g7     looking at the current Moto G 7th gen

Now let's talk plan costs.  

$20 a month gets you the primary line (the most expensive line).  You get one of these and then this phone number is in charge of a group plan that lets you tag on additional 4 lines for $15 each.   Each line gets the fairly generous Fi minutes and other features that Fi gives you for free (and all the others charge you extra with little nit-picking charges)

Google Fi doesn't nit-pick you, what you sign up for is what you pay.   Fi doesn't do roaming minutes or zone charges or any of the rest of the BS that the other use to double your bill each month.  

And if you take the time to work with a Fi phone representative (Fi does live voice and text support on the phone with a real English speaking person) they can customize your set up to STOP AT&T and VERIZON from adding their little nicky charges to calls made over their systems when you really are off their Fi service map roaming for real.

Purchase Cost of a new Fi phone varies, when they first come out a new phone on Fi is delayed about  6 months to the rest of the world, but when it does become available it is always $100 less than anybody else.   General price range for a Motorola G Power is $200-$250 when they first come out and that is to buy it outright.  Google Fi does offer rent to own (or financing plans if you like that terminology better) but you are dollars ahead just to buy it outright with a single price.

Spotting a sale price on a good model of an older phone is a matter of looking at the Fi site every few months.   I spot a good model that has the good (better than normal) spec bumps when it came out then I look for it to go on sale at a model change over time.

How good does it get?   It can get very good ......

https://versus.com/en/motorola-moto-g-3rd-gen-vs-motorola-moto-g-power      looking at my old phone

https://versus.com/en/motorola-moto-g-power-vs-motorola-moto-g7     looking at the current Moto G 7th gen

I am buying this new 5,000 watt hour phone for $49 outright, no trade in required.

Being a year old, the cases are now cheap too --- I paid $6.50 for a good multi-layer hard shell case.


A new, better spec'd phone with a fresh big battery for $57 in total ---- not too shabby.



........ more later when the phone actually gets here.    

The ARM V9 generation is here, so the old phones from older generations should get cheaper right about now.
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Reply #1 - 05/25/21 at 07:00:12
 
 So are you getting the G Power?

 Or is the G Power your old phone?

https://versus.com/en/motorola-moto-g-3rd-gen-vs-motorola-moto-g-power      looking at my old phone.

I am buying this new 5,000 watt hour phone for $49 outright, no trade in required.


 I've considered purchasing business phones for the local employees.  Anyone going overseas is already issued a Bittium mobile 2C for security/encryption reasons.  Locally there isn't much need, but I'd rather everyone have the same benefits.  The primary issue is plan flexibility at this point.

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Reply #2 - 05/25/21 at 10:08:36
 

ARM V8 phones have reached their peak right before ARM V9 rolls out as the new standard.

I am buying one the best of the last of the V8 generation's large battery phones.    MotoG Power 2020 with 4 gigs of operating systems memory and 64 gigs of internal storage.

There is a MotoG Power 2021 model that costs $200 extra but has no large bump in any functional specs over what I am buying.

My one year out of date unit will be adequate for more than a few years of main cell phone use, but it will get overlapped by just about all ARM V9 phones that will be coming out in this next year or two.

The fact I bought it for only $49 serves to take much of the buyer's remorse sting out of getting it.

Always, in the months in the future there will be more new reasons I should have stayed on the trigger a little longer.    There will eventually be future upgrade difficulties with ARM V9 optimized Android versions really not caring if the old ARM V8 stuff works well or not.  

Phones roll on a 2 year planned obsolescence after all, so it will be technically started towards obsolete in one year.

On the up side, it is currently very well and very completely supported on all sides, so that is a good thing.   My wife's copy has given her flawless service for over a year now, so the phone and the software seem well shaken out.
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Reply #3 - 05/25/21 at 10:20:30
 

Eegore wrote on 05/25/21 at 07:00:12:

 So are you getting the G Power?

 Or is the G Power your old phone?




Moto G 3rd gen is the existing phone I have now.

MotoG Power 2020 is approximately 4 generations more current.  It was a premium model year with a better grade of Qualcomm processor and a lot more operating memory and systems memory which means it performs neck and neck with this years MotoG 7th gen even if it is a last year's model.

MotoG 7th gen is totally current.

It is complicated, but if you stick to only looking at the MotoG Power models it gets easier to understand.   MotoG Power comes out every year, but isn't always a big functional processing power jump from one year to the next.
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Reply #4 - 05/25/21 at 16:45:01
 

 I notice for new customers I need to have another active phone plan.

"Get a $200 phone discount with the purchase and activation of a Moto G Power (2020) phone from fi.google.com. New Fi customers must transfer (port-in) your number to Fi from your current carrier to be eligible."


https://fi.google.com/about/promo-terms/?p=2021-may-g8-power


 I need to get with their customer service and see what types of plans they accept.  For instance I have a handful of cheap-o burner Tracphones that may or may not be eligible.

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Reply #5 - 05/25/21 at 21:29:34
 
I use a flip-phone, no apps, whatever those are?
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Reply #6 - 05/26/21 at 03:56:47
 

I am a long term customer buying a replacement phone, so according to the charges placed on my account I quality for the discounted $49 price.

Plus, they can jest imagine the fuss if they tried to play stupid tricky games with me ......

You must currently have Verizon or AT&T to be looking so hard for the next screw job they are going to give you .......

Google Fi is the best phone service I have ever had.   Really.   "Meets and exceeds my expectations".

Eegore, Fi phones are accepted for trade in if they are less than 2 years old.   Fi phones have modifications done to the hardware and software to support the "seek out wifi" cost savings feature.   These features are now built into some of the brands of phones, to see which ones have it built in just look at what Fi is currently selling for phones.    All Motorola phones are covered as they are Fi natural coming from the factory.  Outside of Fi, only certain makes and models of Samsung and LG have the hardware that is needed.

And yes, Fi uses a flow of rebuilt "like new" phones to send out as warranty issue fixes.   This brainless nice exchange service makes warranty service issues a breeze.


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Eegore, I think you are coming from a bad phone place, wherever that is ........
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Reply #7 - 05/26/21 at 05:24:32
 

 I use Verizon, Mint, Tracfone, and T-Mobile depending on where I am.

 The question regarding Google Fi is for offering a phone to all of my employees, not just issuing them for encrypted communications overseas.

 At $300 per phone to get 25 to stock in-house would run me $7500.  It's $1250 at $50 per phone, but I need another trade in for each to get that cost.

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Reply #8 - 05/26/21 at 11:05:27
 
For simplicity I am upgrading to a portable smoke signal device.
Can’t make long distance calls but it’s great for all local communications.
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Reply #9 - 05/26/21 at 12:22:15
 

Eegore wrote on 05/26/21 at 05:24:32:
 I use Verizon, Mint, Tracfone, and T-Mobile depending on where I am.

 The question regarding Google Fi is for offering a phone to all of my employees, not just issuing them for encrypted communications overseas.

 At $300 per phone to get 25 to stock in-house would run me $7500.  It's $1250 at $50 per phone, but I need another trade in for each to get that cost.



OK -- the way I read the stuff on the web page,  you need to start up a new relationship (with Fi, of course) this qualifies you as a "new customer" or as I am living proof you can get a replacement phone on a long standing account and still get the special price.

Fi does move your old number over to the new phone for free, so that is one less mickey mouse charge that the others would hit you for.

You can get referred, in which case there is a small referral bonus paid to the person doing the referral.   If you wanted to use me as your referral, I would be happy to give you the money or other benefit that Fi actually gives over whenever they give it over.

Or, you could crank up one $20 line personally at the same time to check it all out, then use that line as the referral for the rest of the mass of them.

Or, simply talk to the Commercial Representative about a special bulk purchase deal since you are buying so many at once -- Fi likes bigger customers.    The deal you get for multiple phones will likely be better than some piddly referral bonus anyway.

"Overseas use" has no cost effect to Google Fi, you pay the same low monthly fee for the service and the use of minutes can be really really minimized by carefully using any available WiFi connection world wide.

You may stumble over your use of security scrambler stuff, I dunno, I have no real knowledge about the complications involved in that particular security scrambler stuff.    

But I bet Fi does.   Google knows, it is everywhere.
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Reply #10 - 05/27/21 at 07:57:04
 

 From my IT guy:

Its an MVNO computer in a phone. You technically have one already which is the "jumper" unit on the VPN we built a few years ago. Google is just marketing that concept and legally purchasing the usage.

The big issue with Goolge phone BS was the limited phones under the agreement but it looks like they really broadened the offerings. Maybe you can put more than 6 on a plan but I've not seen it. It is good for simplicity or dodging extra fees that the major carriers offer. Smaller carriers do month to month no fees also but Google has the most stable MVNO.

We use satellites for the Bittium as backup, most of the time as you know we are not near commercial wifi on out of country projects.




 So I will snag one Fi phone and see what its like.  Then see if they will let me go past the 6 group max if it works out well.
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Reply #11 - 05/27/21 at 11:58:44
 

One way to get over 6 phones is to have two groups of four clustered around 2 separate primary phone number accounts.  Kinda klugy, I am sure Fi Commercial can do better than this if you ask them.

Got my new phone in today at 2:00 PM today, starting from the box wrapped in plastic it I had it totally set up with all stuff transferred and all software updated at 2:45 PM.    

The phone was brand new and came in with 71% of a full battery charge.   It had picked up a 95% charge by the time the various updating was completed.

The 2020 MotoG Power is  very much nicer phone than the old phone, in a myriad ways.   The larger screen and resolution mean that there is a lot of room still open on the home screen for new stuff, this means no more shuffling stuff to the next page so I can see it all.
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Reply #12 - 05/27/21 at 14:39:12
 
 "Fi Commercial" according to their customer service does not exist.  They indicate their largest plan is for 6 and do not provide business specific services.  I asked for a "Commercial Representative" and was connected to a manager that had never heard of one.

 You state they like a bigger customer, how did you get this information?




 
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Reply #13 - 05/27/21 at 16:45:20
 

The power of presumption, I guess.    Google does do larger business, but not through Fi apparently.   Sorry .......

No attempt on Google's part to refer you to somewhere else?

Best that standard known plans can do for 25 phones is:

Buy one to check it out

Then buy in 4 groups of 6

Your total is 25 by this math, but you will likely hit supply gaps as the old 2020 phones are not in endless supply.
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Reply #14 - 05/28/21 at 05:38:56
 
 They must not be prepared for larger scale stuff yet.  Which as far as I am concerned I would rather they put out working reliable product over volume that is mediocre.

 For now I will just see how this phone works in my area and go from there.
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