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Re: What is the explanation for the US toll?
Reply #30 - 04/05/20 at 17:20:32
 
Heres an explanation for how badly we are doing

https://pjmedia.com/trending/what-the-media-isnt-telling-you-about-the-united-st
ates-coronavirus-case-numbers/

And, our numbers are dropping..
believing the media, who get ratings by keeping people glued to the TV,, is not really smart. They lie all the time, and even admit to it sometimes,, because of ratings.. Just because someone wants TRump to fail, doesnt mean he is failing. Hate him all ya want, hes still The Best President Ive seen..


[url]https://pjmedia.com/trending/what-the-media-isnt-telling-you-about-the-united-st

ates-coronavirus-case-numbers/[/url]

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THIS ONE  Down Here

https://pjmedia.com/trending/what-the-media-isnt-telling-you-about-the-united...
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Reply #31 - 04/05/20 at 18:18:07
 
He he he, the only place that number dropped per the media was New York and we instantly hear of Andrew Cuomo as VP pick for loser Biden, as to how efficiently he handled the Virus crisis LOL that even rhymes.

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Reply #32 - 04/05/20 at 18:38:27
 
The graphs paint a Much Different picture than media..
Toss in the
Per Capita element and suddenly,, we dont look so bad..
But thAT doesnt feed the
Hate Trump fire,, and it doesnt keep rubes freaking out..
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Reply #33 - 04/05/20 at 19:00:17
 
JoG the second link is an ftp: and the first link is a blank page. The site must be run by turkeys.

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Reply #34 - 04/05/20 at 19:03:00
 
I'm impressed how you guys steadfastly refuse to acknowledge that the US curve while starting out like everyone else, very early on took a steeper trajectory and has maintained the steepest tractectory by far for the past few weeks.

Steeper trajectory equates to accelerating trend.

Back to the thread title, what do you suppose is the cause for the US having the steepest curve, if not for the slow initial testing. Without testing there can be no monitoring.
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Reply #35 - 04/05/20 at 19:06:00
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 04/05/20 at 18:38:27:
The graphs paint a Much Different picture than media..
Toss in the
Per Capita element and suddenly,, we dont look so bad..
But thAT doesnt feed the
Hate Trump fire,, and it doesnt keep rubes freaking out..



The curve is NOT a per capita, it's a total Number. But even the total number is not relevant, what IS relevant is the steepness of the curve, which has nothing to do with population. It's a measure of the acceleration.
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Reply #36 - 04/05/20 at 21:30:48
 
There are several graphs.

Compared country to country.
Use the last link in my post.
If you're not in it for twenty minutes, you don't want the data.

And, what does it take to Get tested?
Last I heard
Symptoms..
And
From the cruise ship data we saw half of the people who tested positive
Were what? ASYMPTOMATIC,,

So, those tests, reserved FOR SICK PEOPLE, are showing real cases, what they aren't doing is showing the asymptomatic, and since They aren't included, it makes the mortality RATE look higher.

http://thelawdogfiles.blogspot.com/2020/03/stop-panicking-over-bad-data.html
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Reply #37 - 04/05/20 at 23:51:25
 
That site has a security warning, so I'm not downloading anything from that.

The graphs I'm referring to are the TOTAL confirmed cases, not the mortality rate, not the rate per million, not recovered,   simply the number of confirmed cases, and the US has the steepest curve by far.

Cumulative confirmed cases, see below. Not the steepness of the curve, that's due to the exponential growth from being late to developing the test.

Because the US did not do extensive testing, there was a three week period where the see population exploded.

If you have an alternative explanation for the steepness of the US curve, then let's hear it. Repeat, it's nothing to do with deaths.

Unless you want to maintain that John Hopkins university and the rest of the world governments are lying. Which is your usual response, everyone is lying. It works for Trump.

Do not expect me to click on links that will download a file to my computer.
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Reply #38 - 04/06/20 at 06:10:33
 
EDS - We've told you a million times - It is per capita that compares.
Now I'd make a case where population density is also needing to be factored in because its a factor in this case.
That way The US is to be thought of as may be 4-6 "regions" and here as well it needs to be indexed to per million people etc.
There are places in the US like NYC, SFO, Seattle etc where the numbers look worse than Italy even per capita (this is just a guess I have never seen it published). Overall US is very very low once it is per capita.
Those have been published by the guardian, and I have seen it and seen it on here posted by JOG If I recall.

The numbers don't lie, its the media's spin that while it may not be political, it is driven by eyeballs. And worse news brings more eyeballs and hence more advertising $$$. Same reason why they showed planes flying into WTC for months together.

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Reply #39 - 04/06/20 at 08:37:27
 

 You guys are basically mixing words with math, like the missing dollar from the hotel.

 You have an R0 (infection rate curve) and then you have a Per-Capita infection rate curve, then you have a Mortality rate curve.  When combined you have an overall average, and in reality that curve doesn't really help anyone except making it easier to understand for people not working for a solution.

 Select the curve you want to prove your point, they are all different and represent different portions of the same topic.
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Reply #40 - 04/06/20 at 09:06:58
 
and who is figuring in the asymptomatic? and How are they doing it?
Ask a TRump hater how were doing
Terrible,, anywhere else is better

Bullshit, I dont buy it for a second.
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Reply #41 - 04/06/20 at 09:49:45
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 04/06/20 at 09:06:58:
and who is figuring in the asymptomatic? and How are they doing it?
Ask a TRump hater how were doing
Terrible,, anywhere else is better


Bullshit, I dont buy it for a second.




And this has hit Trump hater country hard. Literally the exact Hilary Clinton blue spots are infected hardest. So the squealing, screaming, shreiking, whining, wailing is unbelievable.

How do we know we're winning, when the squealing by the losers get louder.

Seriously I hope this brings full on tariffs and the final push to kick china out of any trade deals. And a wall, a fence or a bunch of helicopters and drones with shoot at sight orders at the southern border. Throwing all illegals out, and cutting off legal immigration till unemployment hits 2% again.

Sadly someone like AOC will propose to "build the economy" by bringing in illegals and more legal immigration for "working to build the economy" after talking to "business leaders"

We're not full, we're broke, we cant afford supporting new people and we certainly cant have them remitting $$$ out of the US.

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Reply #42 - 04/06/20 at 10:14:59
 
"and who is figuring in the asymptomatic? and How are they doing it?"

 How would you recommend getting a figure on asymptomatic people?

 If we are going that route I would like to factor in how many left handed people are in there too.  There's no way to know, but I want those figures factored in.
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Reply #43 - 04/06/20 at 11:24:19
 
eau de sauvage wrote on 04/05/20 at 23:51:25:
Do not expect me to click on links that will download a file to my computer.

How do you read a PDF then ?

What are your thoughts on this:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/coronavirus/Alert-2-New-ICD-code-introduce...
"...or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death..."

Reportedly, people are saying any death,
that is somehow remotely, related to this virus,
is the virus's fault.
(get more money that way)

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Reply #44 - 04/06/20 at 11:35:43
 
Apparently in Europe if you had corona virus and died within 28 days of that diagnosis (even if it was falling in your bathroom) its attributed to the Virus and blamed on Trump LOL. Pretty sure in libtard centers around America its the same way.
Like I said, Katrina only made bank for advertisers for 4 days. Corona is at 45 and no sign of slowing down, ka-ching ka-ching is all I can say.

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